I assume I fall into ACP

I assume I fall into ACP
by mocopdx (2024-04-24 14:07:57)
Edited on 2024-04-24 14:13:02

In reply to: The ACP is optimistic because they confuse cause and effect posted by Jvan

Because I've expressed that while I don't expect a great offense, I also take issue with the ideas that Denbrock is a Kelly-clone as an OC and that his offenses will definitely suck against top competition.

It's not like we don't have data on this. Denbrock was the OC at ND in 2014 and 2015. In those two years we faced four teams who finished top 5 in the final AP poll. Here is what we scored in those games:

2014 vs FSU - 27 points
2015 vs Clemson - 22 points
2015 vs Stanford - 36 points
2015 vs Ohio State - 28 points

I don't think it's fair to pin 2016 on him as that was a perfect shit storm of variables that led to how bad that team was, and by all accounts the OC role was being "shared" between Sanford in some messed up way.

So while Denbrock had the OC reigns at ND in his last stint, we averaged 28.25 ppg against teams who finished in the top 5. I don't think that's laying turds.

I think he is a firm step up from Parker. I would have preferred someone who runs an offense like Michigan's, or the Packers, or the 49ers, too. Those offenses would play far better to our natural recruiting strengths, as I've said many times on here. I'm not a spread-lover, I don't think it's most suitable for a program like ND, but my point is that there's a wide range between "sucks and rules" for OCs, and I don't think Denbrock falls under "sucks". I think Mike Elko is a fine coach, and it bears noting that Denbrock was his first choice to join him at A&M.

I also think it's unfair to just say "well he had Jayden Daniels fall into his lap". Daniels was seen as a semi-bust at ASU and when he announced his transfer, teams were barely looking at him. When LSU took him, it was a nothingburger. He wasn't even a guarantee to start. Denbrock was the OC that coached him into a Heisman winner.

the OC when Brian Kelly was the coach at ND

was Brian Kelly.

Someone else might have had the title, but it was his scheme, he held veto power, and he would shove his nose in and offer input whenever the fuck he wanted. Now, I'm sure that Denbrock was very involved and perhaps even running much of it, but there were no tweaks or adjustments that SRFSIM didn't approve of first before they were implemented. Oh, and I'm sure that Kelly was the driving force behind the 2016 fuck up, no question.

I didn't like the Denbrock hire at Notre Dame because he reminds me of the Kelly and Willingham regimes. Hard stop. I don't want to be reminded of those two regimes. I would have preferred a fresh face; unlike other guys, I think that you can run good running schemes from gun and/or pistol. I'm not married to under center/21 or 12 personnel groupings or whatever. There are a variety of ways to skin a cat.

There is no reason to run an offense exclusively from the

shotgun. If an OC is so committed to the formation, it means he is dumb.

it means he is limited

and he might also be dumb.

Be that as it may

Denbrock was "the OC" in two of the three best Kelly offenses, and his years were the only ones where we didn't look completely inept on offense against top teams.

other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

I fucking hate the Willingham and Kelly regimes, for different reasons.

Everyone on that staff can go jump in a lake, as far as I'm concerned. I don't care which one is the tallest midget, they're all short little fuckers.

I don't get why Elko's interest in Denbrock

continues to be cited when trying to justify the hiring. Elko isn't a proven elite head coach. He is the process of trying to prove himself at A&M. We don't know yet what will become of his career. It simply doesn't make any sense to mention him. If we were dueling Saban for his services, it might be noteworthy.

We dueled Saban for Tommy Rees’ services. *

Fair enough

I think Elko is widely respected and seen as an up-and-comer, but I get your point.