When will ND's offensive coaches get the memo?

When will ND's offensive coaches get the memo?
by Hanratty5ND (2021-04-20 14:08:22)
Edited on 2021-04-20 15:22:53

In reply to: Marcus Freeman on recruiting posted by miamioh_irishfan

ND's approach to recruiting is flawed.

QB recruiting:

Rees is average. Nice job in getting Buckner, but then follows that up with a flawed approach in offering 2022 QB's. It's as if Kelly and Rees were happy with Buchner and thought it ok to fish for lower ranked recruits the following year. Don't want too much competition for the star QB!
Angeli and Wimsatt as the first 2 offers? What is wrong with aiming higher and offering the Top 5 QB's in the country? Kelly and ND don't even try.

Look at what OSU does. They follow up signing 5 star Kyle McCord with the top-rated QB in 2022--Quinn Ewers. They didn't just anoint McCord the future starter. Maybe that's why they produce better QB's
than ND. Real competition.

WR Recruiting:

Alexander is a weak link. Yet Kelly continues to employ him. In Alexanders's defense some of the problems with WR recruiting are directly related to QB recruiting. Top WR's want to play with top QB's. We all saw the talent disparity at WR when ND played Alabama and Clemson. Get ready to see that same disparity again when ND plays OSU in 2022 and 2023.

RB Recruiting:

Taylor started out great by getting Tyree. A huge win. But he has been mediocre since. Put all the eggs in the Shipley basket last year. Signed some OK RB's. But Bama, Clemson, and OSU all signed better RB's. Talent gap isn't closing.
This year it looks bleak for the top RB targets. Sawchuck will visit but OU is expected to sign him. Hayden will also visit but OSU is in the drivers seat. Singleton is the 3rd elite RB that will visit but PSU will be tough to beat. You have to hit on one of your top 3 targets here. Taylor will have to out-recruit someone for that to happen.

TE Recruiting:

McNulty needs to know he is at ND now and not fucking Rutgers. I think someone may have finally gotten in his ear with that message now with the decommit of Nickel.

McNulty has had 2 TE commits since coming to ND: Mitchell Evans and Jack Nickel. Both were rated the #23 TE in their class.
23rd is good when you are at Rutgers. At ND you should be signing a top 5 TE's just about every year.

OL Recruiting:

I have no major qualms about Quinn as a recruiter. I'm greedy and think he should sign even more high-end recruits--but this is one position that should be easy to recruit for at ND and ND is in pretty good shape here.

But the bottom line is offensive recruiting is not good enough--especially at QB-WR-RB. The elite teams continue have a huge edge here. 10+ years of Kelly and ND is no closer to closing the gap.

Tyler Morris (Chicago kid) just committed to Michigan today.

Hopefully they land the other WR from Chicago - St. Rita's Kaleb Brown, #62 overall. A few others in the top 150-ish appear to be interested in ND - McMillan #64, Merriweather #125, Clemons #151.

Not sure how close ND is to getting any of those, but I think landing 2 of those guys would be a low bar to set.

ND just offered a 3-star currently committed to Boston College (Joe Griffin), looks like within the last hour or so.

That wasn't a surprise

Morris just tore his ACL and MCL. ND backed off its recruitment of him, and it's not even certain that Michigan will take him.

That said, recruiting could be better at the offensive skill positions. We want to land one of our top three targets at RB, and that's iffy right now. At WR, the best options are dwindling outside of Morris.

On ESPN, Angeli is our highest rated recruit.

Lets not exaggerate too much that the defense
is way ahead of offense in recruiting.

His trajectory appears to be the opposite of Pyne's

Pyne was a near-5 star (#37 overall prospect on Rivals) when ND put the full court press on him. He ended up ranked in the mid-4 star range, at 225. Angeli has ascended from #330 up #226 on the 247 Composite. Spring football season must have served him well.

Pyne was offered by Bama in 8th grade.

Talk about your impossible expectations...

ESPN isn't a legitimate source. *

Why is that? Serious question.

Is ESPN's recruiting and high school evaluation staff inferior to Rivals and 247 or whatever both are called these days?

You know ISD uses them? *

They have a lower hit rate compared to the 247, Rivals

and Scouts of the world. It still doesn't mean they are horrible, but any time they have big outliers it probably should be taken with a big grain of salt.

Do their outliers ever hit positively? *

That’s not looking at the full picture at all.

The defense IS way ahead of the offense with respect to recruiting right now, just based on the kids we’re in on alone. Take more than a cursory glance at it, rather than a quick one on the worst of the big recruiting sites and it becomes immediately apparent.

The offense is shopping down a different aisle *

Kelly is shopping at family dollar

while Saban is shopping at Wegmans.

The frozen foods, 3-star aisle. *