Yeah as was discussed here there's no question there is an
by Carlos Huerta (2024-02-20 08:09:58)
Edited on 2024-02-20 08:10:19

In reply to: the 49'ers had the Chiefs in 4th and 1  posted by irishrock


advantage to getting the ball second. There's an even bigger advantage to getting the ball third. The debate is how to weigh the uncertainty of there ever being a third possession. It doesn't seem like the numbers guys have come to a consensus which as jt points out means it's a pretty good system to have in place to determine the winner. I personally don't have a preference and would probably let how my defense was playing dictate my decision. I wouldn't like the possibility of letting Mahomes know what he needed which in the case I scored a TD would mean he has four downs to work with but I really wouldn't like the possibility of having Mahomes/Butker only needing a FG to beat me in the third possession.




I think Mahomes is an analytics buster
by ndzippy  (2024-02-20 13:58:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I think you have to assume he's going to lead his team to a TD on that drive.

So, the question becomes...would you prefer for him to lead the Chiefs to 7 points on the first drive, or give him a chance to win the game with a 2-pt conversion on the second drive?

With 90% of NFL QBs, I might agree that the OT scenario is a toss-up. With Mahomes, I'd absolutely want him to go first.


Is he for sure getting a TD w/ a drive starting from the 8?
by melanzana  (2024-02-20 15:58:45)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Or whatever yard line the 49ers were on when they kicked a FG?

The Niners should have gone for it on 4th and 4. If you miss it, Chiefs are get the ball deep in their half and then wouldn't have to go for it on their own fourth down every time.


if Burford had stayed true to the scheme call
by jt  (2024-02-20 17:37:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and not winged it, they wouldn't have had to go for it on fourth down, because they would have scored on 3rd down.

If it was up to me (and thankfully it isn't) he should have been cut the next day.


what defense is he going up against?
by jt  (2024-02-20 14:27:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

specifically, would the head coach of the opposing team need to call a timeout because he saw that his DC was once again in a poor coverage on 3rd down?

Maybe Shanahan figured that his defense could keep performing reasonably well (only 1 td allowed to that point in the game). When you have guys shouting on the sideline to watch qb keep on 4th and 1 and your defensive coordinator is out of the loop (again), maybe that guy just needed to be replaced.

That's not a strategy issue in as much as it is a coach who couldn't rise to the occasion. If they hadn't fired him, several of their star players were likely to demand trades.


Oh, for sure, I won't defend Wilks
by ndzippy  (2024-02-20 14:43:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I just think Mahomes has ascended to the Jordan/Brady level, which means he's going to get what he needs when he needs it...even if he's been held in check thus far.

I think analytics have to account for the opponent...and I think Mahomes generally turns 50/50 propositions into ones that (greatly) favor his team.


look, there were a variety of mistakes in OT
by jt  (2024-02-20 17:36:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and in the game in general. I believe that is a game the Niners should have won and basically completely blew it, and it started in the first drive of the game and continued through overtime; nobody is immune from blame, including (and especially) Shanahan.

We have the benefit of hindsight here, but I think that is basically came down to OL play and mangled pro schemes (looking back at the tape, apparently there were 4 plays that would have been td's with better pro, and there were 6 other potential shot plays where things didn't hit because of pressure. You can't hit on everything, but your % needs to be higher than that) as well as questionable defensive play calls at crucial moments. The Niners are very lucky Kelce didn't score at the end of the game, as an example. They're very lucky they got out of the first half without giving up a td. The Chiefs were able to get Kelce isolated on a LB (Warner is elite, but he is still a LB) and use his leverage against him in the second half; Wilks was standing there on the sidelines doing his inner Ty Willingham/wooden Indian routine and had no answers.

It was completely blown; those pointing out missed holding calls and overtime strategy are basically missing the point. For one, the officiating was extremely poor for both teams, and secondly it never should have come down to that. Kyle absolutely knows that this is the case, IMO. He knows that this game was blown. Hopefully he gets another chance, and hopefully Wilks and everyone else from the Willingham regime never coaches again for any team I root for (alas, Denbrock, but everyone knows how I feel about that).


SF’s D Played Their Best Game of Playoff in SB
by mwalsh  (2024-02-20 21:28:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

This one is squarely on Shanny. Spags definitely owned him but Shanny reverted to his SB form and wilted.