The eight MLB players with WAR > 70 that are not in the HOF.
by G.K.Chesterton (2024-03-18 13:55:53)

As Mookie Betts approaches a lifetime WAR of 70, it's interesting to see who else has hit that milestone but not gotten in the HOF. Obviously, some of the eight have controversy swirling around them. What has been the knock on Lou Whitaker?

Mookie Betts (64.5; milestone: 70)

With another star-level season, Betts will surpass the 70-WAR threshold. Coincidentally, 70 position players in league history have gotten to that level. Of those players who are eligible for Hall of Fame consideration, only eight (Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, Pete Rose, Bill Dahlen, Lou Whitaker, Rafael Palmeiro, Bobby Grich and Carlos Beltrán) aren’t enshrined in Cooperstown. There’s already no real doubt that Betts is en route to the Hall of Fame, but crossing the 70-WAR mark will further entrench him among the elite players in MLB history.

Notable players approaching 60 WAR: Freeman (55.7), Machado (54.9), Arenado (54.4)





Not another Bad Bill Dahlen belongs in the Hall of Fame post
by Flann  (2024-03-21 15:45:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Looking at the numbers it seems like he does though.

Regarded as one of the best fielding shortstops of his time and a very good hitter.

Had the longest hitting streak in history (42 games) before Wee Willie Keeler and eventually DiMaggio.


Why Grich belongs in the Hall of Fame
by kdh325  (2024-03-18 23:11:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

According to JAWS from Baseball Reference, Grich is the 8th best 2B of all time. Here are the 8th best at the rest of the positions. 1B: Frank Thomas 3B: Brooks Robinson C: Bill Dickey LF: Tim Raines CF: Duke Snider RF: Reggie Jackson SS: Ernie Banks. All of these guys are no-brainer HOFers.


He's a foul one
by Molly Maguires  (2024-03-19 13:18:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Mr Grich


Whitaker also. I truly don't understand the holdup with him *
by sprack  (2024-03-19 10:55:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


His top 3 Baseball Reference Similarity Scores are
by kdh325  (2024-03-19 14:52:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Sandberg, Trammell, and Alomar, with Joe Morgan 6th. That's pretty fast company.


I don't treat WAR as a be-all and end-all stat, but
by No Right Turn on Red  (2024-03-18 17:33:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

like most other counting stats, at a certain point, you hit a threshold of greatness. For me, 70 WAR is a sure fire, no debate Hall of Famer.

All of the players you listed should be in the Hall of Fame, notwithstanding any opinion of steroid issues.


I wonder if there should be a per-year minimum average.
by G.K.Chesterton  (2024-03-18 19:16:31)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Bobby Grich played 24 years. Does he really deserve to be in the HOF simply because he kept showing up for years as a backup?


JAWS score
by Go_Crazy_Folks  (2024-03-19 21:22:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

This is a really good measure. It averages the total WAR with the 7-year peak WAR to weed out the compilers a little.


Grich only played 17 years...and 2 of those were when
by Slotts  (2024-03-18 20:49:40)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

he first came up and only had a few ABs.


Thanks for the correction. I got him mixed up with
by G.K.Chesterton  (2024-03-18 23:14:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Rick Dempsey.


Rick Dempsey should be in the HoF...
by Porpoiseboy  (2024-03-19 09:02:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

if only for the rain delay entertainment he provided.


25.1 WAR in 24 years. Sounds like he's HoSM worthy *
by kdh325  (2024-03-19 14:48:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post