I agree 100%
by Domer84 (2024-02-28 18:35:12)
Edited on 2024-02-28 18:35:58

In reply to: I'm starting to feel personally put out  posted by El Kabong


It never fails to amaze me how the GOP can shoot itself in the foot. In 2020, Trump was running against a guy living in his basement. Democrats had set the country ablaze in an orgy of arson, looting, and murder. Vaccines for Covid were being developed in record time. Yet, No one in the Republican party could put together a plan to highlight leftist violence, emphasize the positive accomplishments of the previous 4 years and, most importantly, rein in Trump.

In 2022 they let the MAGA wing nominate a bunch of idiots and the red wave was a trickle. This year, they had a good crop of younger men and women, black, white, Hispanic, and Indian to go up against an unpopular old, white President. But, they are picking Trump who didn't even show up at the debates.

Whatever you think of Nikki Haley, she is very electable. She would pull in white suburban women and independents (and Democrats?) who want to vote for the first woman of color President. This is especially true against Biden who appears old and incompetent. Current polls show her crushing Joe. But, the GOP is picking Trump.

Of course, Biden is dropping out and the DNC will select someone else who will do his/her best to goad Trump into saying something insane at the debates. Trump is the Democrats best hope to retain the White House and, perhaps, take Congress. I do not understand why the Trumpers don't see that.


MAGA believes Trump's support is vast and that
by Freight Train  (2024-02-28 21:01:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

he loses only when the election is stolen from him. They absolutely do not believe any poll that shows Haley outpolls Trump and Biden in a general election. They live in a parallel universe where Trump is a god-king and anything that suggests he's unpopular among vast swaths of Americans is a lie.


I know a few people like that.
by Domer84  (2024-02-29 13:59:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

One of my BILs in fact. It's hard to convince him that Trump is poison.

The vast majority of Republicans I know, however, had hoped that Trump was gone after 2020. Like Covid, he keeps returning.


If the vast majority of R's voted like the ones I know
by AquinasDomer  (2024-02-29 14:11:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Marco Rubio would have won the 2016 primary going away.

The white collar educated GOP never wanted Trump, but it's a shrinking component of the party.


"guy living in his basement"
by Kali4niaND  (2024-02-28 20:12:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Your media choices are duly registered.


"Democrats had set the country ablaze in an orgy of arson...
by ndroman21  (2024-02-29 09:23:02)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

...looting, and murder."

That wasn't criminals, it was Democrats.


Silly take.
by airborneirish  (2024-03-02 13:28:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

There was no attempt to break up any of these crime sprees. A couple idiots with bullet holes in the them would have been sufficient. Instead of stopping the violence the police walked protestors around. Instead of encorricing curfew the police continued these escorts. Instead of protecting people the police kept the beaches closed.



You know where I live. I saw it with my own eyes. Incompetence. I voted for Biden. A democrat seeking local office has a lot of trust to build with me before they get my vote.

Johnson is up to more of the same. If you are a democrat and you don’t work to stamp out these idiots like Johnson and Foxx you will see the same stupidity that hit the gop overrun your party.


Not to mention the orgy of January 6th.
by ocnd  (2024-02-29 17:04:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

I know. Just tourists.


Democrats can also be criminals.
by Domer84  (2024-02-29 14:17:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

I doubt that the folks burning down the Arby's, attacking police stations , and killing storekeepers in the name of George Floyd voted for Trump in November.

The GOP missed an opportunity, as usual. They did a terrible job tying Democrats to the violence. While part of that is due to media support for the Dems, commercials could have been used to force Democratic candidates to condemn the rioting or be painted as supporting it. I can only imagine how many commercials we will see this fall with footage of those idiots on January 6th. Any Republican candidate who refuses to call that out for the travesty it was deserves to lose.


You need to separate protestors from criminals.
by ndroman21  (2024-02-29 14:54:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Democratic leadership, up to and including President Biden, did, indeed, denounce rioting, burning, and looting, while supporting the right to protest.

See the link from Reuters.

This blurb from CNN puts it much more succinctly, but I didn't want to link solely to CNN, since it certainly leans left.

https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_44839468-3d38-415c-b0b0-11ceb87d1ced

I think this is, indeed, an example that shows what your news sources are.


Certainly.
by Domer84  (2024-02-29 19:12:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Unfortunately, what happened in the summer of 2020 was not, as CNN once said, "mostly peaceful protests". Numerous left leaning news organizations tried to spin those riots in that way. If you think that, then perhaps it says something about the news sources you use.

If there are 100 people waving signs and chanting while 500 loot and torch the Target, it is a riot. Plenty of Democratic politicians refused to denounce the violence, afraid of alienating constituents. Brandon Johnson, Chicago's esteemed mayor, said not to worry about looting since "these companies have insurance". He thought that police resources should go instead to address "structural racism". And he was not alone. BLM was pushing to defund the police and encouraging the idea that looting was reparations. Too many Democratic politicians were nodding along.

There were over 200 riots, not protests, that summer and, I believe, the vast majority of Americans were horrified by what they were seeing on the news. The point I was making is that the Republicans, as usual, missed an opportunity that Fall to make Democrats either agree with the looters or take a position contrary to BLM. The Republicans have always been incompetent in managing their messaging and this was a prime example of that.


I would push back on this
by ravenium  (2024-03-01 00:09:14)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

There were in fact thousands of people peacefully marching for police reform by day. And of course, there were a lot of ugly, ugly riots at night. The former was sometimes used as a cover for the latter.

I would say yes, outlets such as CNN conflated them for clicks and several of the more left leaning Democrats tried to whatabout it to keep their base happy. Republicans wanted people to think every march was a riot, because it fed to THEIR base.

However, both absolutely happened.


True.
by Domer84  (2024-03-01 13:31:45)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

We had a protest march here in Nashville that probably had 10,000 participants. No problems. They marched around downtown, went to hear some speeches and went home. A few nights later, however, some folks tried to burn down the courthouse and looted the Margaritaville restaurant.

You are correct that the media spun these types of events differently. On ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN etc. these were all just protests with a few folks that got out of hand. On Fox, conversely, every protest was the end of society.

I don't know how many peaceful protests there were in 2020. I do know that several times per week that summer there was some type of violence: smashed windows, looted stores, burning businesses. This was the kind of thing not seen here since the '70s and should have been universally condemned, but it was not. Too many Democratic politicians, fearful of upsetting the mob, made excuses and refused to criticize them. The GOP allowed those politicians to skate on that position thus missing an opportunity, as usual.


Hey, didja ever consider the possibility
by sprack  (2024-02-28 20:05:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

That Trump is the one who lost the 2020 election, and nobody else?

As for his accomplishments, he accomplished nothing any other Republican with a majority in both houses of Congress would have done. And less. He's a rank amateur at actually governing.

In other words, it was a collaborative effort. They had a golden opportunity to get rid of him after January 6 and didn't.


You are correct. They should have voted for impeachment.
by Domer84  (2024-02-29 13:55:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

But too many in the RNC are gutless. They are afraid to take on the Trumpkins. That was the point I was so inarticulately making.


Because that's not what's important to them
by El Kabong  (2024-02-28 18:40:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

"Fighting" is the be-all end-all. It doesn't matter if you achieve policy goals.


As Jonah Goldberg pointed out...
by Revue Party  (2024-02-29 17:06:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

Trump would rather suffer a massive defeat than win a marginal victory.

He basks in his victimhood. And his ACP eats it up.

It's not even fighting. It's a race to see who can be the biggest asshole to those they don't like or disagree with and who can be the cruelest to anyone who's different or weaker.


They’re also losers who are used to losing
by acrossdmiddle  (2024-02-28 19:48:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

But they want someone to fight for their lost causes and that’s Trump.