In reply to: I'm starting to feel personally put out posted by El Kabong
he loses only when the election is stolen from him. They absolutely do not believe any poll that shows Haley outpolls Trump and Biden in a general election. They live in a parallel universe where Trump is a god-king and anything that suggests he's unpopular among vast swaths of Americans is a lie.
One of my BILs in fact. It's hard to convince him that Trump is poison.
The vast majority of Republicans I know, however, had hoped that Trump was gone after 2020. Like Covid, he keeps returning.
Marco Rubio would have won the 2016 primary going away.
The white collar educated GOP never wanted Trump, but it's a shrinking component of the party.
Your media choices are duly registered.
...looting, and murder."
That wasn't criminals, it was Democrats.
There was no attempt to break up any of these crime sprees. A couple idiots with bullet holes in the them would have been sufficient. Instead of stopping the violence the police walked protestors around. Instead of encorricing curfew the police continued these escorts. Instead of protecting people the police kept the beaches closed.
You know where I live. I saw it with my own eyes. Incompetence. I voted for Biden. A democrat seeking local office has a lot of trust to build with me before they get my vote.
Johnson is up to more of the same. If you are a democrat and you don’t work to stamp out these idiots like Johnson and Foxx you will see the same stupidity that hit the gop overrun your party.
I know. Just tourists.
I doubt that the folks burning down the Arby's, attacking police stations , and killing storekeepers in the name of George Floyd voted for Trump in November.
The GOP missed an opportunity, as usual. They did a terrible job tying Democrats to the violence. While part of that is due to media support for the Dems, commercials could have been used to force Democratic candidates to condemn the rioting or be painted as supporting it. I can only imagine how many commercials we will see this fall with footage of those idiots on January 6th. Any Republican candidate who refuses to call that out for the travesty it was deserves to lose.
Democratic leadership, up to and including President Biden, did, indeed, denounce rioting, burning, and looting, while supporting the right to protest.
See the link from Reuters.
This blurb from CNN puts it much more succinctly, but I didn't want to link solely to CNN, since it certainly leans left.
https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_44839468-3d38-415c-b0b0-11ceb87d1ced
I think this is, indeed, an example that shows what your news sources are.
Unfortunately, what happened in the summer of 2020 was not, as CNN once said, "mostly peaceful protests". Numerous left leaning news organizations tried to spin those riots in that way. If you think that, then perhaps it says something about the news sources you use.
If there are 100 people waving signs and chanting while 500 loot and torch the Target, it is a riot. Plenty of Democratic politicians refused to denounce the violence, afraid of alienating constituents. Brandon Johnson, Chicago's esteemed mayor, said not to worry about looting since "these companies have insurance". He thought that police resources should go instead to address "structural racism". And he was not alone. BLM was pushing to defund the police and encouraging the idea that looting was reparations. Too many Democratic politicians were nodding along.
There were over 200 riots, not protests, that summer and, I believe, the vast majority of Americans were horrified by what they were seeing on the news. The point I was making is that the Republicans, as usual, missed an opportunity that Fall to make Democrats either agree with the looters or take a position contrary to BLM. The Republicans have always been incompetent in managing their messaging and this was a prime example of that.
There were in fact thousands of people peacefully marching for police reform by day. And of course, there were a lot of ugly, ugly riots at night. The former was sometimes used as a cover for the latter.
I would say yes, outlets such as CNN conflated them for clicks and several of the more left leaning Democrats tried to whatabout it to keep their base happy. Republicans wanted people to think every march was a riot, because it fed to THEIR base.
However, both absolutely happened.
We had a protest march here in Nashville that probably had 10,000 participants. No problems. They marched around downtown, went to hear some speeches and went home. A few nights later, however, some folks tried to burn down the courthouse and looted the Margaritaville restaurant.
You are correct that the media spun these types of events differently. On ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN etc. these were all just protests with a few folks that got out of hand. On Fox, conversely, every protest was the end of society.
I don't know how many peaceful protests there were in 2020. I do know that several times per week that summer there was some type of violence: smashed windows, looted stores, burning businesses. This was the kind of thing not seen here since the '70s and should have been universally condemned, but it was not. Too many Democratic politicians, fearful of upsetting the mob, made excuses and refused to criticize them. The GOP allowed those politicians to skate on that position thus missing an opportunity, as usual.
That Trump is the one who lost the 2020 election, and nobody else?
As for his accomplishments, he accomplished nothing any other Republican with a majority in both houses of Congress would have done. And less. He's a rank amateur at actually governing.
In other words, it was a collaborative effort. They had a golden opportunity to get rid of him after January 6 and didn't.
But too many in the RNC are gutless. They are afraid to take on the Trumpkins. That was the point I was so inarticulately making.
"Fighting" is the be-all end-all. It doesn't matter if you achieve policy goals.
Trump would rather suffer a massive defeat than win a marginal victory.
He basks in his victimhood. And his ACP eats it up.
It's not even fighting. It's a race to see who can be the biggest asshole to those they don't like or disagree with and who can be the cruelest to anyone who's different or weaker.
But they want someone to fight for their lost causes and that’s Trump.