In reply to: What exactly has Biden done to disgust you? posted by vermin05
reconsider Trump. Apparently it was enough to warrant another thread on why Trump is far worse.
Voting for trump because of abortion alone. It was sort of disturbing, not because of the issue at play but the general lack of concern for any other issues.
I think my only quibble is with people who liked "policies" under trump. Most of this stuff is subject to the whims of an increasingly dysfunctional congress. Plus, most of the policies people cite would have happened under a much saner conventional gop candidate.
I can't really get past a guy who has quite transparently said what he'd do if reelected - it's quite frightening. Yet you have people equivocating with "well he did frame me for armed robbery, but I'm aching for that tax cut!"
Considering how many abortions he’s paid for
they prioritize as the most important issue when voting to be "disturbing" (well, within reason I suppose). Each of us is extremely different. I know people who knew next to nothing about Obama's policies but voted for him because he is black. Is that disturbing to you given they had a general lack of concern for any other issues? I found it incredibly silly, but not disturbing.
Being a white dude I don't know what it's like to be black and have a black man in the white house.
Is it "disturbing?" I'd say maybe more shallow - a single characteristic can make you feel more fondly towards someone but it has nothing to do with actual policy.
Abortion is at least a policy issue. I would say disturbing for two reasons:
- Because it is a focus on a singular issue to the exclusion of all other issues. That isn't great.
- To a lesser extent, I do not like religiously-based policies to enter a secular government.
issue is at least more informed and relevant than voting for someone because of immutable characteristics. These are all white people by the way. And none of the reasons were about making life better for blacks.
I'd say the same about a person who only voted for Bernie because of whatever free stuff he was peddling as I would about someone who thinks their religious beliefs should legislate abortion.
I think Gloria Steinem face planted with a similar shallow take "women only vote for bernie because they want to meet boys" in 2016. It's absolutely low grade uninformed voting, so yes, I do agree.
As a resident of the PNW, I get to see a lot of white people with luxury beliefs about minorities. I highly recommend watching "American Fiction" because it's generally a shot across the bow aimed right at them.
Obama wasn't an insurrectionist, as one example. He didn't promise to encourage enemies to do whatever they want to NATO allies. He didn't threaten retribution against anyone and everyone who slighted him in any way.
If he had done some or all of those things, and then a voter said he was voting for Obama because he is black, I think the reaction might move from "incredibly silly" to "disturbing." When a voter is going to vote for a basically sane person, even if I happen to disagree with that person on various policy issues, almost no reason will be "disturbing." Randomly pulling the lever without a thought isn't "disturbing." The justifications might be stupid or even offensive, but the threat is small so it's hard to be too disturbed.
The case is a bit different here, though. One person willing to put aside everything Trump has done in his political career, all because Trump will appoint pro-life judges (as would literally any Republican president), is at least a bit concerning. It's certainly odd. That millions are willing to do so is disturbing.