They are 100% correct
by SEE (2024-04-05 20:17:41)
Edited on 2024-04-05 20:25:22

In reply to: Your first two points are not correct.  posted by tdiddy07


> Every year ND lost recruits to the bag man. If you follow ISD or others, you’d know it’s common.
> Compare transfers before Freeman to after Freeman. If you can find a comparison for what they brought in this year I’ll be all ears. They brought in the #1 transfer QB, the #1 RDE, the top WR from Clemson. I don’t think it’s close at all.

To be able to plug in a QB, a JJB an Oben and a nickel into a team as transfers is a luxury no previous coach has had. I think the transfers on this team outnumbers the seniors who made it to four years from at least one previous class.

And I should mention that ND is expanding numbers and exiting players as well.







You are only looking at how much ND increased transfer
by tdiddy07  (2024-04-07 12:45:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

influx. You are not looking at how much other schools have increased transfer influx. Other schools are bringing in more kids than ND is to fill gaps. And ND has challenges compared to those schools to be able to fill in the slots that are opening up. ND will likely bring in larger freshman classes compared to those schools as a result, which will put an onus on development and retention--the latter part being more difficult these days.

I'm not saying that bag men never happened. But there's little reason to think that was a greater structural challenge than it was in the 80s. It was largely a bogeyman for people who refused to hold the head coach accountable for working harder at recruiting.


by "exiting players" are you referring to running guys off?
by jt  (2024-04-06 10:53:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

as if that's a good thing?

In other words, you're claiming that now ND is no different.


ND is still different, but less so than previously
by Jvan  (2024-04-06 13:05:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

As for running guys off, ND does not revoke anyone's scholarship. Some kids will leave to seek playing time elsewhere but all have the option to stay.

Coaches at other schools who hold similar periodic conversations with players regarding playing time and their position on the depth chart don't always offer that option. While others (Andy) may disagree, I think that difference still has some significance.


It's a huge difference
by KeoughCharles05  (2024-04-11 10:08:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Allowing a guy who isn't going to cut it on the football field to stay around and focus on academics and get a degree is hugely important. I'd argue it's the most important part of the scholarship offer.