Surprised no one is talking about this. 14 team playoff
by ndstein04 (2024-02-29 18:05:05)

floated with 3 auto bids to both the B1G and SEC, 2 to both the ACC and BIG 12, one to the Group of 5, leaving only three at large bids. Link is paywalled.




It’s clear we need a 256 team playoff
by drmurray  (2024-03-01 06:58:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

In fact, they should have started the season last month so we can play all the required games


That would be 128 games in the first round (with no byes).
by SWPaDem  (2024-03-01 07:58:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

With the transfer rule loosened up a bit (transfer anytime, anywhere, anyhow), an individual player conceivably could play for and against his original team 4 and 3 times, respectively, more so if he would be permitted to transfer within any given game.

I'm surprised Jack never thought of this. And they called him a visionary. Some visionary.


Visionary is likely referring to eyewear only
by montroy28  (2024-03-01 10:43:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Swarby Parker, at our disservice


wish they'd just keep it at 4 *
by discNDav  (2024-03-01 05:38:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


ND + ACC + Big 12 + G5 should call SEC/Big10’s bluff
by combodraw  (2024-02-29 21:49:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

These two mega conferences are likely threatening to leave the NCAA and start their own mega league and want everyone else to bend over and take whatever is being offered. Call the bluff, let them go.

The new Big10/SEC basketball tournament isn’t going to be watched by too many people aside from alums of the participating schools. The NCAA tournament will remain a multi billion dollar enterprise.

ESPN isn’t going to pay the same money for a football playoff that’s only Big10/SEC. I have a strong feeling that these two conferences will be quite disappointed at the bottom line if they form their own league.


I don't see how the ACC can negotiate any of these things
by VaDblDmr  (2024-03-01 15:39:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

until their exposure re FSU, and Clemson, Miami, and UNC, by extension, is determined. FSU's lawsuit is non-frivolous, which the ACC well knows.


I think non-frivolous is a stretch
by gregmorrissey  (2024-03-01 16:32:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If it was truly non-frivolous, wouldn't Clemson and North Carolina already have joined or filed suits of their own?

Going from memory, but isn't the only real issue regarding the extension of the exercise date on the media option? Wouldn't the ACC still control the conference member media rights to negotiate a new media agreement even if ESPN opted to not exercise their option?


What incentive would Clemson, et al. have to join if FSU is
by VaDblDmr  (2024-03-01 17:58:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

doing the work for them? Plus, not joining preserves their relationship with the ACC, such as it is.

IMO, FSU has a reasonable chance at having the court modify the GOR to 2026, which I would guess is their real hope.


The other conferences have no leverage
by y2wolv  (2024-03-01 12:42:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Football drives these decisions.

If it wasn't, Kansas would have been on the first bus out of the B12, not stuck despite multiple rounds of realignment affecting the B12.

Even assuming basketball mattered, while I don't disagree that a B1G/SEC basketball tournament won't be some massive draw, the NCAA tournament would take an enormous financial hit if the B1G and SEC weren't in it.

However the other schools have no leverage in football. If the B1G and SEC entered in some alternate format where their champs played every year that would effectively relegate the rest of college football to a step above G5 status. The few remaining schools that are attractive to those two leagues would likely immediately bolt further cementing the leftovers in the ACC and B12 as second tier.


If bending over for the B10/SEC means $1.00 more
by doolinbanjos  (2024-03-01 10:51:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

ND, the ACC, and the Big 12 will gladly place their elbows on the table.


So will this work like IndyCar and Cart?
by Leeroy_Jenkins  (2024-03-01 07:16:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Both have their own championship? In reality the Big 10/SEC would be division 1 and everyone else would be division 2. There is a zero percent chance that ND would be in division 2. ND will go where the money is.


Two P5 leagues
by SEE  (2024-02-29 23:01:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Interesting


That would show them *
by ACross  (2024-02-29 22:59:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


What's your solution?
by combodraw  (2024-03-01 09:01:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

My point is that I don't think Big10/SEC will actually follow through and that they are bluffing. They'd lose too much money over the long run to split the sport up.

It looks like there's only two real options. Capitulate and take the shitty 14-team CFP deal the heavily favors the power 2, or dig in and draw the line somewhere reasonable.

What would you suggest? Going back in time and having someone other than Swarbrick in charge over the past 10 years while this deck was set is not an option at this point.


Show leadership *
by ACross  (2024-03-01 20:53:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


The P2 would be wise to take the money now
by Wooderson  (2024-03-01 13:46:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and then start the super league at the end of the CFP contract.

Givesyou time to get all the ducks in a row, and you can boot the IU/Vandy/Northwestern teams out and pick up the best of the remaining teams for a 32-40 team Super League, including ND.

Oh, and we'd be forced to take that or leave it, if we wanted to stay relevant, otherwise we may as well go Ivy League at that point (which some folks seem ok with).


Don't kid yourself, there wasn't anyone changing this
by gregmorrissey  (2024-03-01 13:01:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'm no fan of Swarbrick, but name me an active AD, school president, business executive, coach, or anyone anywhere working in the last twenty years that has shown the ability to get an entire industry to forego profit.


We’ll have a 64 team playoff by August at this rate. *
by Giggity_Giggity  (2024-02-29 21:30:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


It doesn't look that different to me
by nihilist in golf pants  (2024-02-29 21:25:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

than the stupid 12 team playoff that we will have this year.

The thing that used to be great about college football was the fact that every game meant something (to contending teams). By the end of the regular season, you knew that there were a small number of teams that could reasonably claim that they were the best. It was extremely rare for that number to be more than three.

A twelve-team playoff will feature at least half a dozen teams that don't pass the smell test. You'd be insane not to expect a 9-3 team to get an at large bid this year. And a 9-3 or 10-2 team is not deserving of a title shot, regardless of "signature wins". Such a team failed to close too many deals.

This format is worse than the 2024 format, because there are more mediocrities in the mix, but it isn't like they would be ruining something that is pristine.


The following is a list of non-G5 programs
by tf86  (2024-03-05 14:26:14)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That would have made the CFP had the current proposal been in existence from the beginning of the CFP (i.e., 2014 season), based on next year's conference alignments:

2015: Oklahoma State (16)
2016: West Virginia (16)
2017: TCU (15}
2018: West Virginia (16), Syracuse (20)
2019: Virginia (24)
2021: Wake Forest (17)
2023: Louisville (15), Oklahoma State (20), Kansas State (25)

That's 10 Power 4 teams, in seven of 10 possible years, bumping a more deserving team from the CFP. That wouldn't happen in the 12-team format.



They broke the seal
by doolinbanjos  (2024-02-29 20:06:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Once they decided they could just chuck longstanding tradition by instituting playoffs, the floodgates were open for any whim-of-the-moment tournament Bristol dreams up.


Why not just forgo the season *
by ACross  (2024-02-29 20:49:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


It's like charity scramble rules.
by doolinbanjos  (2024-03-01 10:54:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It will only vaguely resemble the college football we grew up with.


22 under *
by ACross  (2024-03-01 20:54:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


who blew the seal? *
by mkovac  (2024-02-29 20:25:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


It’s just ice cream. *
by A1Leprechaun  (2024-02-29 22:38:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


A classic *
by kmurphy173  (2024-03-01 11:19:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Ahab
by rkellyatrecess  (2024-02-29 21:07:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

That's why he was so mad at the whale.


Nice move giving 2 auto bids to the ACC and B12
by DakotaDomer  (2024-02-29 19:38:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It’s a nice bribe to all those schools as they vote themselves out of meaningful existence.


Big 10 and SEC champs also guaranteed the byes.
by NDBass  (2024-02-29 18:59:25)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It's a shame there isn't a strong voice from ND present to lead the others in pushing back on the nonsense.


Which is kind of funny since 1/2 of each of those
by Stonebreaker9  (2024-02-29 19:17:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

conferences won’t play the other 1/2 each year.


"...might be the most naked power grab of all time", as Bill
by G.K.Chesterton  (2024-02-29 18:12:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Connelly put it so well. Those two conferences have spent the last 36 hours trying to socialize this change and make it a fait accompli. They should be told to pound sand all the way to the center of the earth.