In reply to: question for the board theologians posted by melanzana
Yes, one may be saved by receiving grace in duress. But Catholics insist on evidence that you've made it through the duress while continuing to maintain possession of your grace before declaration that you, in fact, possessed it in the first instance.
"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead"
entry at those pearly gates, Our Lord will be there and say to us, "Show me your hands. Do they have scars from giving? Show me your feet. Are they wounded from service? Show me your heart. Have you left a place for Divine Love?"
How much evidence? How many works? Who decides?
I try hard never to judge the heart (eternal fate) of another; it's way above my pay grade.
I will say that if I observed a life seemingly completely devoid of conduct consistent with a faith in (submission to) Jesus, I'd have a difficult time concluding that person had eternal life (That same super smart guy said, "If you love me, you will obey my commands.")
But even in that scenario, I'll leave it to God to sort out, kind of like the thief on the cross.
I might humbly propose that many of us and many churches (of all Christian denominations) spend far too much time trying to decide who is in and who is out.
It might be better for all concerned -- churches and individuals alike -- if we spent more time examining (and seeking to grow in) our own love for Jesus and graciously encouraging others to an ever-increasing pursuit of that love (and obedience - per John 14:15).
I have my own plank in my ocular cavity to worry about
Judge not lest you be judged and all that.
I've taken to this quote as my main driver, it's often mischaracterized to Francis, but goes like this.
"Preach the gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words"
Brow beating people on the rules and judging them isn't going to get anyone where they need to go
In experience and thought. I have also left the Catholic Church, and yet the two best Christians I have ever met were both Catholic.
If Paul was worried about "finishing the race" we should be as well.
With respect to the certitude that many profess, Richard Rohr said it well:
In the Franciscan worldview, separation from the world is the monastic temptation, asceticism is the temptation of the desert fathers and mothers, moralism or celibacy is the Catholic temptation, intellectualizing is the seminary temptation, privatized piety and inerrant belief is the Protestant temptation, and the most common temptation for all of us is to use belonging to the right group and practicing its proper rituals as a substitute for any personal or life-changing encounter with the Divine.
Rohr, Richard (2014-07-27). Eager to Love: The Alternative Way of Francis of Assisi (p. 5). Franciscan Media. Kindle Edition.