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BK ranking as an ND coach similar to Ian Books ND QB ranking by Hickster

Both will end up with more wins at ND than any other coach or QB. This is due to:
- Played considerably more games than any other coach/QB (extended 12 game seasons and minor bowls.
- Played against a much weaker schedule (manufactured by JS to make a 10 win season the new standard for success rather than NCs).
- Lack of winning very few big games (one Clemson game, one Oklahoma game, one very strong Michigan game).

However, I greatly respect Book as an overachiever and he exceeded expectations. He ranks behind ND's NC QBs and quite a few QBs that did not win NCs (Horning, Huarte, Theismann, Mirer).

On the other hand Kelly is an underachiever by ND standards (perhaps he is meeting expectations based upon his leadership and coaching abilities). But the biggest concern is effort, which is illustrated by his recruiting based upon ND's traditional standards. His recruiting classes consistently are in the top 10 to 16 programs, while the ND's Top coaches were consistently in the Top 1 to 5 programs. BK's biggest issue is lack of effort and now it has morphed into having a reputation of not winning NCs - but you can win 10 games a season against weaker schedules.