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As a program we are probably in the 7-15 range by Raoul

Alabama, Clemson, OSU are clearly better - every year. In most years Oklahoma, LSU and Georgia will be better.

In our really good years we sniff the top 4 and maybe slip into the playoff. We can also drop to 20 or lower.

We recruit at about 12-ish under Kelly.

TAMU, USC, ND, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan are about the parameters of that 3rd tier we occupy. We all care, some programs more than others, but all of us struggle to catch up to the higher tiers. Some of those programs are held back by sanctions or coaching and can clearly jump up with partial changes. I'd say we tend to recruit at the lower end of that group, like Wisconsin (that is their biggest Achilles heel and probably prevents them from ever getting into Tiers 2 or 1 long term). Of this group. USC and Texas should be most able to return to Tiers 2 or 1. I see ND under the current administration as never being able to rise to Tiers 2 or 1, at least for more than a year or two (and the Tiering structure implies more than a year).

We certainly don't want football success as an institution the way Texas and USC want it and will keep pushing to get there. We are happy in our Tier and will be happy with the occasional "puncher's chance" at single year success. We are a Northwestern Football on steroids. They fluctuate year to year with lower lows and lower highs, but their institutional approach to football is closer to ours than say ours is to Oklahoma or Texas or OSU. That is to say: "keep it clean" and ride the sine wave of performance/results within an acceptable range. In our case, that is from 8-12 wins a year. For them, probably 6-10 wins a year. But it is the same administrative mentality.