you think this is like "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless
by jt (2024-04-25 16:06:03)

In reply to: Not just Kelly  posted by NDQuebec

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Mick" or something? We're going to Men in Black these guys with some kind of nueralyzer until they forget they participated in the games?

What a foolish thing to say/write.

The foolish thing to say is what the OP said.
by NDQuebec  (2024-04-25 17:47:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Hoping the new AD will fight to maintain the vacated games is just plain dumb for the sake of petty revenge. I'm pretty sure Bevacqua feels the same way. Some people just need to move on from their hatred of Kelly and Swarbick. If you really want your AD to fight to maintain vacated wins if such a fight ever comes to fruition, then you better look at yourself in the mirror and decide if you are a true ND fan.
It's not petty revenge
by HTownND  (2024-04-26 08:54:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It's following through on what we said we'd do from the beginning.
And adhering to a set of values and principles *
by ACross  (2024-04-26 10:01:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I want Bevacqua to accept the consequences
by ACross  (2024-04-25 22:09:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

And the punishment. One of the requirements was that ND not recognize the wins in any official way at all. We ignored that. We know why.

You need to accept that your blind support of Swarbrick and Kelly was wrong-headed and stupid.
What does “fight to maintain the vacated wins” mean?
by Father Nieuwland  (2024-04-25 20:12:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The NCAA vacated the 21 wins. And ND acknowledges that the NCAA vacated the 21 wins.

Yet ND credits Brian Kelly with 113 victories. Those 113 victories include the 21 vacated victories.

Do we agree on the facts?

I do not understand your description of ND honestly crediting Brian Kelly with his 92 victories rather than a dishonest total of 113 wins as “fighting to maintain the vacated wins”?
Yes, we agree on the facts.
by NDQuebec  (2024-04-25 21:08:31)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

My phrasing wasn't the best. But imo, its rather silly to hope the new AD will remove them (the vacated games) That's what you said, isn't it? They are already vacated. Maybe you mean the * besides the win. Whether one agrees or disagrees with that sanction, hoping that the new AD will "remove them" is going to extremes to spite a coach you detest.

No AD in the world is dumb enough to contradict Notre Dame's official stance on this matter. It's Notre Dame's stance, not Kelly's as you keep repeating.

I am fine with the Irish * besides the games. Notre Dame disputes the NCAA ruling and I am fine with that too.

People need
by HTownND  (2024-04-26 08:58:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

To call out Notre Dame's bullshit on this (not Kelly or Swarbrick).

Our dispute is based on some faulty and nonsensical logic.

The idea that if we hadn't applied our honor code, they wouldn't have been ineligible, is quite honestly a lie at worst, dishonest at best. There were ineligible players that weren't impacted or part of the honor code process. They were ineligible because they received improper benefits. There is nothing to dispute.

We need to be adults and accept the consequences for what we did, instead of being cute about it. I'd prefer our new AD and President act like adults and accept the consequences for our actions.