Bush cheated. Just because today's game has made payoffs
by TAR (2024-04-24 09:32:06)

"Legal" doesn't go back in time and make what he and USC did acceptable.

Both murder and cheating are now acceptable for USC heisman trophy recipients




Right on
by irish-al  (2024-04-24 15:27:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

yep, bullshit logic by the Heisman Trust


Pay-for-play still not legal
by Flanner89  (2024-04-24 15:08:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I never heard about Bush getting paid for his NIL, but rather it was purely pay-for-play. That is still illegal today and requires the participants to at least pretend they are getting paid for their NIL. So that's another reason their logic fails.


The Simpsons got it right again (link)
by TopsyTurvy  (2024-04-24 12:06:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


That's excellent! * *
by stedsman89  (2024-04-24 15:33:42)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Nice. *
by drmurray  (2024-04-24 12:59:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Still good for a few gems here and there. That's a classic *
by krudler  (2024-04-24 12:24:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


In conclusion, USC Sucks *
by drmurray  (2024-04-24 11:44:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


But now they have the most Heisman winners.
by Domer84  (2024-04-24 11:55:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Another ND superlative bites the dust. What do we have left?


Should ND get a partial Heisman for helping SC winners?
by MobileIrish  (2024-04-24 12:29:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

ND’s ole performance in 2002 certainly helped Carson Palmer.

If ND had closed the deal in 2005, maybe Vince Young would have claimed the trophy instead of Reggie Bush.

Caleb Williams may have clinched the trophy running around against ND in 2022.


Had ND closed the deal in 05, Quinn would've had a real shot
by gordonbombay  (2024-04-24 13:30:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

As it was he finished 4th.


He'd be a no-brainer over Leinart.
by tdiddy07  (2024-04-25 09:08:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

He probably should've finished ahead of Leinart as it is, anyway. Throw in the game-winning score over Leinart, the anticipation of ND appearing in the Rose Bowl for the national championship, and his only loss coming in a 487-yard 5 TD effort, and he'd have a shot at the trophy. Voters love Heisman moments, and his TD run in the last minutes may have become the most watched clip of the year in November. (Also possible that Zibby's return TD would've been the most watched clip.) We never talk about Quinn's TD much anymore, but that was an inspirational effort to shrug off an All-American linebacker and future first rounder and stretch for the goalline. Though Bush's TD soar over Fresno State still would've been wowing people.

However, his two chief competitors still (1) also led his team to the title game with similar passing numbers and 1,000 yards rushing and (2) ranked third in the country with 8.7 yards per carry with ~2,200 yards and 19 all-purpose TDs. He'd have a shot though. Especially when voters viewed him as a real student-athlete. (Though it may have been a couple years before both Young and Bush to take PR hits.)


Rocket and Theismann should have Heismans. *
by Homeboy73  (2024-04-24 17:20:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Almost 20 years later and 2005 remains painful. *
by MobileIrish  (2024-04-24 15:25:01)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


i was pissed as hell when that fumble went out of bounds.
by kdh325  (2024-04-25 17:36:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Had it stayed in a lot of clock would've run off and we would've won


Same here. *
by irishhawk49  (2024-04-26 17:25:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Yep, pathetic. *
by Marine Domer  (2024-04-24 11:33:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


People don't care about cheating
by Wass  (2024-04-24 10:38:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Jyst look at who won the NC last season. Combine it with one of the easiest schedules in D1, and it's a recipe for success. They were praised for their greatness. That Bush is getting his trophy back isn't a surprise.


I don't really care but bizarre rationale. Basketball
by Carlos Huerta  (2024-04-24 10:16:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

players who played before the three point line should appeal to have their point totals adjusted to reflect the three pointers they would've made under the current rules.


So how are they going to handle SMU now that it's legal
by RagingBull  (2024-04-24 09:56:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

for athletes to be compensated? Give them the '82 National Championship?


They were second in the AP and UPI final polls in 1982. *
by Manor76  (2024-04-24 11:44:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post