Every failed ND HC has ended badly at next job...
by Scoop80 (2021-11-14 17:47:26)

In reply to: "we feared we were reverting back to Ty Willingham days" (link)  posted by irishrock


Kuharich's last Eagles' team ('68) took the lead in the OJ Derby by going 0-11. They then won 2 to let the Bills (1-12-1) edge ahead before finishing 2-12.

Faust's last Akron team went 1-10. Davie's last NM team went 2-10 (following a pair of 3-9 teams). We all know how TW's UW tenure ended. CW had a bad beginning, middle & end at KU, posting a 1-18 B12 record.

The moral of the story is that, if a HC struggles at ND, he'll do a lot worse at a program that lacks ND's advantages.


It’s amazing how few(especially within ND fanbase) see that.
by revressbo  (2021-11-14 20:22:01)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The fact that each of Davie, Weis and Willingham had at least one moderately-successful year at ND (Weis had two) is a testament for how good the ND job is. Yet, ironically, those years are used to prop up Kelly’s tenure, because he beats the teams he’s supposed to (despite hardly ever winning a big game) and those three clowns prior to him didn’t.

Bob Davie and Charlie Weis combined for three BCS games at ND. Let that sink in. Those are two terrible college head football coaches.


Holtz at So Carolina was the pinnacle of post ND success *
by ndtuba  (2021-11-14 18:43:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

But he wasn’t a failure so your point stands.


Lou had 2/6 good seasons in SC
by SEE  (2021-11-14 19:00:55)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Maybe 3

1999 South Carolina 0–11 0–8 6th (Eastern)
2000 South Carolina 8–4 5–3 2nd (Eastern) W Outback 21 19
2001 South Carolina 9–3 5–3 3rd (Eastern) W Outback 13 13
2002 South Carolina 5–7 3–5 4th (Eastern)
2003 South Carolina 5–7 2–6 4th (Eastern)
2004 South Carolina 6–5 4–4
South Carolina: 33–37

All-time record 620–599–44 [1] (.508)


He's the only NC-winning ND HC to take another job...
by Scoop80  (2021-11-14 19:25:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Leahy, Parseghian, and Devine never coached elsewhere. Neither did Layden, who didn't win a NC, but who had a .770 W/L %. Rockne, obviously, never had the chance to coach elsewhere.

Except for Holtz, the general rule of thumb has been that ND was a destination job for successful HC's. Except for Brennan, the general rule of thumb has been that unsuccessful ND HC's took another shot and were even more unsuccessful than they were at ND.

EDIT: I looked up Anderson, who, previously unbeknownst to me, coached at NC State for 3 years, where he went 11-17-1--including 3-7 in his last year there.


How were they before he got there? *
by NDMike2001  (2021-11-14 19:14:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


One win the year before he got there versus Ball State. *
by Moff  (2021-11-15 12:36:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


That 0-11 in his first year wasn’t a mistake.
by cujays96  (2021-11-15 05:02:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Holtz got them to a place where they weren’t viewed as an SEC doormat. There was enough there when he was done that he talked Spurrier into taking the job.


well, that and an Augusta National membership
by irishrock  (2021-11-15 08:02:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

rumor is that is the reason Holtz and Spurrier took the job