It was a reference to having players take significant risks
by ACross (2020-07-10 14:56:45)

In reply to: "send the players to the lions"  posted by jt


in order to generate revenue for schools. It was a cultural reference.

What is the number of deaths you would tolerate? 5? 10? 20?

By the by, there is currently a mini outbreak among summer students at Notre Dame. Contact tracing going on now.


This is the reckoning of the college bubble
by mitquinn  (2020-07-10 16:50:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Inflated tuition, greedy schools, EsPN, too many side endeavors that yield nothing...

People should just embrace it.


Even some of my SEC friends are coming around to this
by TCIrish03  (2020-07-10 21:32:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Sentiment. They realize how much of an idol it's become.

Granted though, they aren't the guys that listen to Pawwwwwwwl regularly either.


That is the silver lining indeed *
by ACross  (2020-07-10 17:07:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Any info on the "mini outbreak at ND"? *
by NDFanSince81  (2020-07-10 16:03:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Yes I have info but I choose not to share it *
by ACross  (2020-07-10 17:08:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Any chance you can share it privately?
by Son of Galway  (2020-07-10 17:57:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I just dropped my daughter off there last week for the beginning of her summer master’s program.

If you are willing, I can give you my email address. If you’re not willing, that’s OK and I understand.


Sure
by ACross  (2020-07-10 18:49:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

boardops are authorized to give you my email.


Contact tracing should begin and end at the Linebacker *
by Jvan  (2020-07-10 15:54:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I’m confident the guy who I saw ripping lines off the rim
by RoccoGlobboSchoolForWomen  (2020-07-11 11:44:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

of the men’s room toilet seat at the Backer has already acquired the antibodies.


Fat Eddie demands that all contacting be done at The Rock *
by Frank Drebin  (2020-07-10 20:41:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


What revenue generation?
by NDFanSince81  (2020-07-10 15:30:02)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

With few or no fans in seats, the prospect of forfeited games due to covid outbreaks, and loss of many of the tent-pole games that prop up the television ratings, precisely what revenues are we talking about?

There is absolutely nothing but downside to going ahead with a Fall football season. Sooner or later AD's and league poobahs will get past the denial stage and start dealing with the evident collapse of their bubble economy.


It's this sort of uneducated posting we should strive to avo
by Jt  (2020-07-10 17:30:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Tickets and concessions make up less than 20% of revenue.


So educate me ...
by NDFanSince81  (2020-07-10 17:43:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

What, if any, would be revenue consequences under the following scenario ...

* Wisconsin, USC, Stanford off the schedule
* No postseason bowl games
* Bookstore sales off 80%
* Television ratings off 50%
* Stadium attendance limited to students

Would there be no impact on TV or other non-ticket revenues?


I'm not sure I can really help you much
by jt  (2020-07-10 18:57:45)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

why would having Wisconsin, Sc, and Stanford off the schedule hurt? Not many people in the stands, just replace them with someone else.

Why would there not be postseason bowl games? Do you know that for a fact? You seem to be dealing with hypothetical here.

Bookstore sales off 80%? Again, I'm not sure that would be the right number. Nobody shakes down their alumni and fans better than Notre Dame except maybe the Jesuit high schools (excuse me, college preps) nationwide.

Television ratings off by 50%? "Dear Mr Fantasy, play us a tune something to make us all happy..........."

Stadium attendance limited to students? The math on this is already pretty easy to figure out and was given to you. I would also note that nothing (so far) is limited to "just students." Private suites might be available, and NFL teams have discussed having limited numbers of fans at games.

The TV contracts have been negotiated already; now, I would suppose that there might be some adjustments needed, but I'm not sure why. The games would still be on TV. There would still be high demand (although you seem to disagree there, for some odd reason). The sponsorship options would likely have to be renegotiated since they would no longer be blasted over the jumbo tron. I wouldn't be surprised if ad space was sold on the field and on the uniforms; hell, maybe even on Coach Kelly's shirt.

All of this is really beside the point--it needs to be safe for the players, and they are investigating options for that. But no matter how you slice it (despite you trying to play fast and loose with the numbers) playing games is more profitable than not playing games.


Would expect tv ratings to rise, actually *
by ratinatux  (2020-07-10 20:01:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Fair enough ...
by NDFanSince81  (2020-07-10 19:29:49)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I appreciate the your take on these points, and totally admit this is just a layman's spitballing. If you're right it will still be a bad year for college athletics, but perhaps not burst the bubble.

But we'll see. The only expertise I have to offer is as a modeler and with stats. On that basis, I'm convinced the AD's and league poobahs are in denial about the risks for their programs. If offered odds, I'd say 3:1 that there's no season which will push some programs past a breaking point with much heartache to go around.

We're entering a make or break period, let's hope for some good news.


I tend to agree that it's going to be difficult
by jt  (2020-07-10 21:27:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

however, for the reasons that you outline, I tend to believe that they'll try and find a way to do it (perhaps even delayed).


Explain me why you think
by Catdog2  (2020-07-10 18:06:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

TV ratings would be off 50%? lmfao


My reasoning
by NDFanSince81  (2020-07-10 18:55:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

1. Wisconsin is already gone from the schedule, there's good chance USC and Stanford will be lost, too. This limits the the upside opportunities for national contention. Clemson is left, but the remaining games have limited national interest.

2. Can a student body spread out through the stadium generate the atmosphere a casual viewer expects in college football? Especially for opponents like Western Michigan, Wake Forest. I'll grant you Clemson could still be a lot of fun, if we are competitive.

3. What rules will be in place during the game to reduce virus transmission? To me, this is the real wildcard. Rules could suck the life right out of the game.

4. I did some numbers on using the current rate of new cases in the US (160/1m/day) for a 120 day practice + schedule period. It works out to an expectation of 2 cases per team per season. If current experience with summer practices and military training is any guide, an infection would rapidly spread throughout the team. So unless the programs are on total lockdown, you can expect most teams will have to fight back one or more outbreaks during the course of the season. On that basis, I'd be surprised if there were no forfeited games over the course of a 10 game season.

5. The consequence of 4 is that conference standings, rankings, and the prospects of post-season play would have little value, again cutting into the interest of the casual fan.

That's my reasoning. Feel free to debunk if you like.


I don't think you really understand how ratings work
by jt  (2020-07-10 19:01:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and how it effects TV contracts (hint: it won't lower ND's take this year).

And we've been playing tomato cans for years. Losing Stanford and Wisconsin make 0 difference. Losing Sc sucks, I agree there.

I don't think any of your points have merit, and even if they did it wouldn't effect Notre Dame's take home next year. Besides, any money they would make this year is going to be more than what they would make if they don't play any games.


there is so much else to do
by jt  (2020-07-10 18:50:25)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

why, one could go watch the grass grow all day long; that's just as much fun as watching ND play someone that's any good, I suppose.


The thought is TV revenue
by ACross  (2020-07-10 17:09:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I concede that people would rather watch Wass deal with the consequences of a bean burrito binge.


P-5 schools generate >45% of revenue from TV & endorsements
by NavyJoe  (2020-07-10 15:49:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Less than 20% comes from ticket sales.


It will be interesting to see what contingencies are in ...
by NDFanSince81  (2020-07-10 15:59:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

those contracts. Canceled games, forfeited games, a meaningless post-season (at best, assuming there is one), loss of bookstore sales. None of that is good.


While we can all concede that all of that "is not good"
by Jt  (2020-07-10 17:33:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I think that the majority of us can also conclude "better than nothing. "


I was making a funny about playing Alabama
by jt  (2020-07-10 15:06:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

in other words, what's more dangerous to our players in this ballet scheme--playing patsy type ACC programs in front of empty stadiums or playing Alabama?

How many deaths would you tolerate were we to play Alabama? 5? 10? 20?

Last I had heard, the football team had 0 positive tests in the last go-round. I wonder why they wouldn't have the same issues as the regular student body? It sounds like Kelly's plan to separate the players from the student body is paying dividends.


Another Kelly game against Bama?
by ratinatux  (2020-07-10 15:14:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The death of his career might be worth it


are there any NFL HC jobs open?
by irishrock  (2020-07-10 15:35:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

great excuse for Kelly to not answer his phone for a few days