Kevin Austin and another look at the stadium
by SEE (2017-08-12 11:00:39)
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I notice they don't show any exteriors





Austin Highlights
by RJD  (2017-08-13 12:13:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

In addition to receptions, saw lots of plays of Austin running the football out of the backfield. Highlights are highlights but no question Austin has great vision and should be an asset after the catch.

If we hold on to him.

Nifty moves for a tall receiver.


Yeah, really good pickup. With Michael Young and Jafar
by SEE  (2017-08-13 18:03:42)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Armstrong having great camps, Alexander is setting the table well. Still not sure about the other kid we got. Looks big...


Does anyone know the details on the luxury boxes?
by Jellyfinger  (2017-08-13 11:19:07)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

How much did they sell for? Did they sell them all?


They're zoned. One zone was 15k donation per seat plus
by Athlete37  (2017-08-13 19:26:38)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

$2,500 per season ticket once you've acquired the seat. The 15k one-time part I'm sure of, but the season price for this year I'm not entirely sure if I'm remembering correctly. May have been a little more.


It might grow on me if the investment
by Notredomer2005  (2017-08-12 16:23:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

In the on-field product improves before I die. I'm at best about halfway through my life and haven't seen a title since kindergarten. Sad.


We were 85-40 (.680) at home in the 1997-2016 configuration
by ShermanOaksND  (2017-08-12 20:21:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

We were 252-73 (.771) at home in the Stadium's original configuration (1930-1996). The last "investment" was a failure, and I have little hope for this one.


Perhaps I worded that poorly
by Notredomer2005  (2017-08-12 20:49:12)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I meant that I hope changes necessary to produce wins are actively pursued and executed, rather than focusing solely upon edifice and spectacle.


Amen to that. Unfortunately, we have people in charge who
by Moff  (2017-08-12 21:17:07)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

think they are closely entwined.


The last renovation was vastly underrated
by SEE  (2017-08-12 20:27:06)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

as a ill advised design.

The dog surgery cone look was atrocious IMO. Now we've got that and the ogres.


We should have known
by HTownND  (2017-08-12 22:22:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

When the fucking toilets failed at the jump that we were in deep shit both literally and figuratively.


And there were unaddressed foundation problems
by SEE  (2017-08-12 22:28:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Which I assume were silently taken care of this go round.

I wouldn't rule that out as the impetus for this whole project.


My Grandmother's house had foundation problems
by langwaysmustache  (2017-08-12 22:36:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Strapped a 80'' tv over the front door, added on a fourth floor. Problem solved.


At one time that was the justification for the video board
by SEE  (2017-08-13 14:38:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

"How are we going to pay for the stadium repairs?"


The one that's not showing advertising?
by langwaysmustache  (2017-08-13 16:36:14)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Interesting strategy there Cotton.


That wasn't the original plan - Advertising was the main
by SEE  (2017-08-13 18:05:18)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

aim.


They had to do something because people were at each
by Moff  (2017-08-12 20:42:00)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

other's throats for tickets. At least they solved that problem.


It's all meaningless to me...
by wiNDycityfan  (2017-08-12 18:28:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If Notre Dame could have coach we all could be proud of, not only due to football acumen and accomplishments, but also due to his love for the university and institution, I could not care less if they kept the grass, put up a second Jumbotron, or added another building to it.

At the end of the day, if ND gets to ever find its stature among the national football powers, consistently, all the rest may as well be Coney Island.

Find me the football Mike Brey and I'll leave the cosmetics to somebody else to bitch about.


It currently irks me quite a bit.
by Notredomer2005  (2017-08-12 19:31:09)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'm constantly disappointed in the casual abandonment of history and tradition in the name of "progress." And you best start swimming or you'll sink like a stone.... I guess.


History and tradition...
by wiNDycityfan  (2017-08-12 22:22:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

starts with football prowess, not stadium aesthetics. Doubt any Alabama, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia, Michigan or Ohio State fan would lose sleep over any "upgrades" done to their stadiums.

Get football where it needs to be. ND would deservedly be considered special again and traditions will continue to reverberate no matter what's done to ND Stadium, but ONLY if we started kicking ass nationally again, year over year. That's the only tradition that matters to me.

History and tradition dissipates and ultimately disappears when the meaning of what made ND great - national championships and Heisman Trophy winners - no longer is possible.


Yeah all that matters is winning peace out *
by ACross  (2017-08-13 17:32:52)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Fanbases are usually quite traditional ...
by Buckeyejohn05  (2017-08-13 07:54:04)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

There was a lot of pushback at OSU too. Nobody likes seeing CFB turn into the revenue whoring NFL.


If we could crack the Top 10 in the USN&WR rankings,
by Moff  (2017-08-12 20:40:02)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

while still turning out good Catholics, I could care less if we turned the Grotto into a Walking Taco stand and the Basilica into a brush-less car wash.


Looks just like every other big CFB stadium
by HTownND  (2017-08-12 15:30:44)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Nothing unique or interesting anymore


ND has finally realized Monk's dream of aspirational peers
by Frank Drebin  (2017-08-12 18:18:29)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

We are finally just like everybody else - nothing special


Other than Doak Campbell, which stadiums does it look like? *
by smithwick  (2017-08-12 15:44:02)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


ND has built the Titanic of Stadiums
by trout  (2017-08-12 20:00:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

To some it may appear like an abomination of the traditional stadium, and that may be justifiably so, but to me it seems more like the new approach to the College Football experience that others will emulate.

Reminds me of a giant cruise ship with various promenades and decks.

The one finishing touch Saavy may have missed were the lifeboats.

Considering the icebergs that lie ahead.

If this great ship sinks, he must go down.

On a more serious note, I think the new ND Stadium may be the most grandiose football facility in the Nation. I think it may be part of the reason for the recent recruitment success, despite the shortcomings of recent performance.

My guess is you will see the Alabama's, USC's and Ohio St's soon trying to top what ND has done here.







You haven't looked at other stadiums
by HTownND  (2017-08-12 22:24:30)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Most have already had all of this.

We didn't do anything earth shattering or groundbreaking here.


Texas Tech *
by ACross  (2017-08-12 17:41:45)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Doak is an apt comparison.
by jakam31  (2017-08-12 16:54:42)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Except I think Doak looks better outside and still has grass.

The one side of the stands reminds me a little but of Ben Hill Griffin where the seats are below the press box.


ND Stadium does have natural grass surface!
by dbldomer7375  (2017-08-13 07:28:37)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The natural grass surface is on top of all the buildings surrounding the playing field.

We grow grass on top of buildings, not on the playing field.


On the inside
by HTownND  (2017-08-12 16:07:04)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Michigan, OSU, A&M to name a few I've been inside recently


Considering our stadium was patterned on
by smithwick  (2017-08-12 22:24:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Michigans, it's always been similar on the interior. You've been to A&M recently, so maybe in person it's different, but as was mentioned below, A&M has multiple decks and at least from the pictures, they don't really look that similar (at least to me) at all.

I asked this question below, but 40-50 years ago, no stadiums had Jumbotrons, luxury boxes, ribbon boards, and all the other modern bells and whistles. Was ND stadium when Ara took over that different from Michigan or Ohio State or Alabama? From an architectural standpoint, no. However, we had a tradition of winning and winning big so of course ND stadium became a unique place where national championships were won from multiple decades across numerous coaches. That doesn't make Crossroads any more palatable but I find the discussion about uniqueness of venue mostly window dressing when the only reason our stadium was a national destination was due to the winning culture that was established there even if the original stadium did a feature a nice, understated design.


The world was a different place then.
by ndtnguy  (2017-08-14 11:53:06)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

No, there wasn't anything particularly special or unique about the stadium when it went up in 1930. But then again, there wasn't a tradition of football excellence, or any history, or any magic about the place then either. It was new.

Notre Dame made a point, though, of not keeping up with the Joneses in terms of stadium gadgetry. Yes, part of the magic of the Place was a product of the success that made up the history. But nothing about Notre Dame, stadium or otherwise, would have been the same---no matter how much they won---if its policy had always been "be the same as everyone else."

That was what was always so galling to the rest of the country: Notre Dame was a rebuke.

Its Catholicism was a rebuke to a Protestant---and later to a secular-humanist---educational establishment.

Its Indiana locale was a rebuke to the east-coast football elite (and to Michigan, self-proclaimed "champion of the west [of the Alleghenies]."

Its national schedule and independence were a rebuke to the parochialism of a Big 10 that wouldn't have it.

Its academic standards were a rebuke to an athletic world that mocked academics and an academic world that either scorned or despaired of athletics.

And its stadium became a rebuke to an increasingly distracted, addled society incapable of tearing itself away from a screen, or post-war pop music, long enough to watch a single sporting event, as well as to the profligate overseers of other athletic departments who indulged the stupefied sloth of their own spectators by gorging them on giant screens, flashing lights, and ASCAP licensing fees.

No, the stadium didn't start out different. It started out sufficient.


Did you see the articles that were written by opposing fans
by Moff  (2017-08-13 01:35:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

waxing poetic about our stadium environment as late as the Weis era? They were not impressed by the non-winning and non-existent national championships or our lack of Heisman trophy winners. They were impressed that we were still something pure in a sea of sleaze and crass commercialism. I just met a VT fan who said getting to ND Stadium was on his bucket list. I told him he should have crossed it off a few years ago.

If college stadiums were pretty much the same in the 1960s, they certainly did not stay that way. To the extent they all turned into NFL light, then we were the only ones that did not. When we played at Miami in '87, they had a Jumbotron, cranked rap music, had their cheerleaders delivered on to the field in an Alamo Rental Car shuttle bus, the game ball was driven out onto the field by a guy dressed up as the Dominoes pizza 'Noid driving an ATV, and they ran out through their smoke machine. They had a sweet stadium locker room with couches and the Playboy Channel. Our guys looked on in horror, saying at least we are Notre Dame and don't stoop to this schlock.

No one is going to write any more articles about how unique their trip to Notre Dame stadium was. A guy like Bill Walsh isn't going to walk into the Notre Dame locker room and express awe that he is in the same space that Knute Rockne was in, because they gutted it like NY gutted Penn Station. To borrow a line, Rudy would look like "a schmuck" getting up on his stool and giving his little speech in that pimptastic stadium locker room on which we spent a small fortune to impress somebody for 10-12 hours a year. You should have seen how sweet SMU's facilities were when we used them for the bowl game. They had no use for them at the time because they were so very focused on just winning.

If ND stadium is just about about championships and Heisman Trophy Winners, then lets all bend the knee to the LA Coliseum, which has just as many of both. Forget how they got them, it doesn't matter. We cannot be greater than USC because they have just as many NCs and trophies. That's what its all about. I just want to win, baby. Win, baby, win. Roll Tide! I was unaware that what ND special was always just about winning. And if we have to do it with ineligible players, then sure, who "could care less," and screw the NCAA because everyone else is cheating, or at least 80 percent. If the Michigan and Ohio State fans would not have a problem with it, then why should we.

I had the keys to that place, spent a lot of time in that locker room and that tunnel and on that field, and I don't view it the way you did through the glory years of 2006 through 2009. I guess I never understood what made us unique. It's funny how they guys back then would be able to walk from the church, change into their uniforms and walk out onto the field with a fire in their eyes that I haven't seen in decades, even with all the bullshit that has has been prioritized of late over quality coaching.

Now where is my Walking Taco, and my bar because I didn't get drunk enough in the parking lot to watch a Notre Dame football game, and where is the Jumbotron because I never so much as threw a Nerf football and have a hard time figuring out what just happened. Welcome visiting fans, and please turn your attention to the large screen, so you can see videos of what you showed up too late to experience.

The only thing that made us great was winning all the time and winning Heismans, and we last did that in the Reagan era. Enjoy the game.


This is a great post, Moff.
by BottleofRed  (2017-08-13 14:48:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I think people who are too young to have experienced the original stadium, especially the behind the scenes aspects that people like you and my dad did, can't really appreciate how different our stadium was. Even until this year, we held out on completely assaulting fans' senses with jumbotrons, ribbon boards and all the other crap that's coming. We gathered in a football stadium to watch a football game. There was beauty in that simplicity. Now we're just like everyone else and that's sad.


Your father taught you well what he learned from your
by MOFF  (2017-08-13 20:03:14)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Grandfather. I cant recall ever disagreeing with what you post and often wish I could say it as well.


Seems like you glossed over my main point.
by smithwick  (2017-08-13 09:49:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

What made ND stadium different from other stadiums in the 60s and 70s? What made it unique at that time?


What made these baseball cards unique at the time
by Moff  (2017-08-13 11:40:15)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

they were issued? There were hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands like them? The answer is that just about everyone else threw theirs away. And if I still had one, and my child who just doesn't get or care about their value, colored them with crayons to make them look better in his or eyes, it would be quite a loss.

If I had the time or inclination, I would explain what I loved about ND stadium (and the way Rockne helped design it with very narrow sidelines to keep the hangers on and glad-handers off the sideline) in comparison to other stadiums then and now, but that is not the point. The point is we have a new mantra on here (and I am by no means directing all of this at you), with people listing all the things they don't care about. Things that our fans (ones who knew a lot better about our history because they witnessed it) used to take great pride in as making us stand apart. Instead we get, "I just want to win and that will fix everything." And that just makes us more like everyone else.

You could walk into that locker room and it was damn near the same as when Rockne, and Leahy, and Parseghian, and Devine coached there, and our players knew it. That was so much more valuable, in the hands of coaches who understood and revered our traditions, than trying to impress a moron or two a year who might want to go elsewhere because we don't have a pimptastic stadium locker room for them to uses 5 to 10 hours a year, assuming we aren't moving games 90 miles away or to half empty Alamo Domes. If they are that vacuous and shallow, I'd be worried that they are the type of people that are not going to be able to cut it at ND, and end up having a trainer doing their papers, resulting in two seasons of vacated wins and probation. And I can tell there are a lot of people on here who are not really concerned about that either. They just want to win.


As a kid growing up in the 50s and 60s, I had a lot of
by SWPaDem  (2017-08-13 12:38:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

those cards as I chewed a lot of bubble gum. Another Clemente, another Bob Gibson, another Willie Mays, another Harmon Killebrew, another Ernie Banks. Aw, man.

They were great flapping through the spokes of the wheels of my bicycle. And I liked to ride my bike a lot.


I know I used them too, but am happy not to recall any
by MOFF  (2017-08-13 20:01:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Valuable ones.


I don't even want to do the math.
by SWPaDem  (2017-08-14 09:48:32)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

But the number of cards in particular you'd get of those guys was legion. I probably could have bought the Jacktron myself or given the money to ND not to build it in the first place!

Like I said, I chewed a lot of gum.


From Alabama, yes.
by tdiddy07  (2017-08-13 10:25:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Their stadium looked like a state fair until they make it look like a generic pro stadium.

UM and OSU happen to be two of the rare examples of major college football programs with stadiums inspired by classical architecture incorporated into a large venue. (Though Michigan's exterior was inferior to the detail of Notre Dame Stadium.)

Ohio State's expansion and restoration has not preserved that on the outside. There's a sharp contrast from the rotunda to the steel and concrete look of the outer decks. But from the inside they did a good job of retaining proportionality.

Michigan Stadium also just looks like it had two buildings affixed to it on the outside.

I'd be hardpressed to come up with other stadiums as aesthetically pleasing among major football venues.


Alabama's is so much different
by WilfordBrimley  (2017-08-14 01:03:54)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

that it feels like a different sport. Watching a game at Bryant-Denny is very different than watching a game in South Bend. I don't think it's objectively worse or anything - just a radically different fan experience for a very different fan base.

I actually do kind of like their current set up given that stadium is so close to the great tailgates and the Strip in downtown Tuscaloosa. They've designed the area well to meet their needs, and their stadium wasn't a holy grail, either.


Well said. Thanks for this perspective. HOF worthy. *
by goirish89  (2017-08-13 03:34:07)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Doesn't A&M have like 5 decks? * *
by miamioh_irishfan  (2017-08-12 17:11:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Yeah
by HTownND  (2017-08-12 18:38:51)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

But when they've closed the ends it's much more uniform /bowl looking than it used to be

Same with the horseshoe


Why r they playing "Scotland The Brave" on video? Idiots
by Frank Drebin  (2017-08-12 15:19:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Are we now the Fighting Scots?


Because bagpipes
by ndtnguy  (2017-08-14 11:59:51)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If it's played on bagpipes it's automatically cool.


Because the guy they hired
by Fishermick  (2017-08-12 17:49:23)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

To run the board is an idiot. Same guy Manning called out in Denver. Guy isn't good.


You'll be disappointed to know that it looks like
by smithwick  (2017-08-12 12:46:45)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

they decided not to rebrick the concrete entrances on the exterior.


Perhaps they'll cover it with fog machines
by SEE  (2017-08-12 12:58:45)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

So no one will notice


That's where the bouncy castles are going. *
by Moff  (2017-08-12 14:32:44)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


The entire program is in a fog *
by ShermanOaksND  (2017-08-12 13:25:03)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


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