Has ever intentionally de-emphasized the program while simultaneously promoting its meager achievements as excellence. That makes us unique.
Can you imagine the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to allow its basketball team to fall to such depths?
And Tulsa. Granted, they are not Appalachian State, but Jack just hasn't hit that point in his addiction to cash to schedule them yet...
No other programs have this problem.
That's why this shit show is allowed to continue. Less than half the alumni alive today care that we have Kelly as coach and are at best 8-4/9-3 every year because we have Kelly.
Circa 1985 Kelly would have signs in his front yard, sheets would be hanging from dorms calling for his head and 90% of alumni anywhere in the world would be openly calling for his head. Kind of like they were for Faust in his last year.
The admin has successfully transformed the alumni base into a majority that really doesn't care if we win or lose.
The PR guys just say it.
One of only 3 times we've lost to them since the recently departed Ara Parseghian grabbed the throat of the program and made it win, despite the hurricane blowing into his face.
So, yeah, that is how we are now unique. We lost to Navy.
PS. Perhaps that is not the definition of "unique" you were intending.
but until my dying day and forever after, I'm of the opinion that any Notre Dame head coach that loses to a service academy should slide his keys under the Athletic Director's door and take a fuckin' cab home.
I was at 2 of Faust's losses to Air Force, including his 4th in a fuckin' row in Falcon Stadium in '85, and fortunately it was his last year as our head coach.
Now we have an administration that seems to accept these losses as part of their institutional control and somehow are able to keep the whales contributing without a hiccup.
F that sh*t.
Especially these guys
EddieAnderson E 1921
Dick Arrington G 1965
Ed Beinor T 1938
Angelo Bertelli QB 1943
Art (Bud) Boeringer C 1926
Luther Bradley DB 1977
Tim Brown FL 1987
Ross Browner DE 1976-77
Jeff Burris CB 1993
Jack Cannon G 1929
Frank Carideo QB 1929-30
Dave Casper TE 1973
George Connor T 1946-47
Bob Crable LB 1980-81
Jim Crowley HB 1924
Pete Demmerle SE 1974
Gerry DiNardo G 1974
Larry DiNardo G 1970
Gus Dorais QB 1913
Bob Dove E 1941-42
Al Ecuyer G 1957
Nick Eddy HB 1966
Clarence Ellis DB 1971
Vagas Ferrguson HB 1979
Pat Filley G 1943
Bill Fischer G 1947-48
Tom Gatewood E 1970
George Gipp HB 1920
Bob Golic LB 1978
Jerry Groom C 1950
Ralph Guglielmi QB 1954
Terry Hanratty QB 1968
Leon Hart E 1948-49
Paul Hornug HB 1955
John Huarte QB 1964
Dave Huffman C 1978
Art Hunter T 1953
Raghib Ismail F 1990
Mirko Jurkovic G 1991
George Kunz T 1968
Joe Kurth T 1932
John Lattner QB 1952-53
Elmer Layden FB 1924
John Lujack QB 1946-47
Todd Lyght CB 1989-90
Jim Lynch LB 1966
Ken MacAfee TE 1976-77
Greg Marx DT 1972
Mike McCoy DT 1969
Creighton Miller HB 1943
Wayne Millner E 1935
Steve Niehaus T 1975
Alan Page DE 1966
Walt Patulski DE 1971
Nick Rassas DB 1965
Tom Regner G 1966
Jack Robinson C 1934
Frank Rydzewski C 1917
Jeff Samardzija WR 2005
Tom Schoen DB 1967
Marchy Schwartz HB 1930-31
John Scully C 1980
Emil Sitko FB 1948-49
John Smith G 1927
Jack Snow E 1964
Frank Stams DE 1988
Monty Stickles E 1959
Michael Stonebreaker LB 1988,90
Harry Stuhldreher QB 1924
Chuck Sweeney E 1937
Aaron Taylor G/T 1992-93
Bobby Taylor CB 1994
Mike Townsend DB 1973
Shane Walton CB 2002
Jim White T 1943
Bob Williams QB 1949
Tommy Yarr, C 1931
John Yonakor E 1943
Chris Zorich DT 1989-90
"Come to Notre Dame, where we still have some fumes left in the tank."
Listen, I think there is something unique about Notre Dame. At least, there's a residuum of something non-fungible about the place, a holdover from days gone by.
But the people who make decisions there now have done just about all they can to open up the windows and waft all of that out. The place, as presented today, is merely a good school with some pretty buildings and a mediocre football team that has more than its fair share of fans.
The academic standards schtick isn't even true anymore and ND's national appeal has dropped considerably. There are probably a dozen programs that can claim national prominence over ND.
By "academic standards", I'm not talking about admissions as much as I'm talking about the requirement to take legitimate courses in legitimate majors.
By "national appeal", I don't mean that they're the lead story on Sportscenter. I'm referring to their efforts to avoid regionalizing themselves by staying independent. ND itself is located in the Midwest, they have a commitment to play 5 east coast teams per year (the quality/prominence of those ACC teams is another matter), an ongoing series against 2 west coast teams per year, and schedules home & home series vs teams like Texas, Georgia, Michigan, and Ohio St. To be clear, I'm not talking about strength of schedule. I'm talking about its efforts to play games against teams all across the country which is something that teams in a conference are unable to do even if they wanted to.
Anyone who suggests that ND is different academically is lying to themselves.
As for national prominence, I don't think playing NC State, Duke, Syracuse, Wake Forest and one rotating ACC team that is top-25 along with USC and Stanford is anything to write home about. Alabama has opened with USC, WVU, and Florida State this year. LSU played Wisconsin at Lambeau last year.
I agree that adding Georgia, Texas and Ohio State to the schedule is a good thing.
That's why the UNLV basketball program has had so many academic scandals
I'll give you Bama, OSU, and Michigan right now with Harbaugh. Maybe Texas if they rise under Herman. But gimmie a break, there are NOT a dozen schools with more national prominence than ND. Just not the case.
Edit - and the academic standards thing is real. We are different in that category. You've been listening to too much Colin Cowherd.
Sure, the football program is a hot mess. I didn't attend ND, but have been a fan since birth, due several family members having attended before I was born. Is it still a special (unique) place? Well everyone is welcome to their own opinions, but for me, hell yes it is. I had been to at least one game per year since 1992 (Snow Bowl) - I was 12 - and there is still no place like being on campus on a football weekend for me. I missed the last two years of going to a game after the birth of our third son, but am starting a new streak this year - with my 6yr old. I cannot wait to introduce him to everything I've come to love about ND - My own traditions on campus that have been passed down to me.
So what makes it unique? I think it's the spirit.
In the late 90s and early 2000s cable and network TV became somewhat indistinguishable, but with all the cord cutting, being on network TV, rather than cable, is significant again. ND still plays more games on network TV than any other program.
Also, I don't think any other school can match ND's schedule, even despite some questionable additions of late. We play in California every single year and plays in at least one NFL stadium almost every year.
nationally televised, right?
new traditions than Carter has pills. "Out with the old, in with the new", Jack always says.
about the same program as Iowa.
during the lifetime of its current players.
relationship between the students and the players. We don't have athletic dorms. They go to real classes and are part of the university. I think this is very different from most other big-time schools.
I have had a fair amount of interaction with recent graduates and I remain impressed by the kids who graduate from ND - players and students.
That they are "spoiled" may be a fair criticism but one based on age rather than reality. When I was a student-athlete we were deemed spoiled for having access to Loftus.
All the points you mention are frustrating and I am largely in line with the Board's general perception that the administration is more focused on money rather than on-field success. And, personally, I'd rather see Brian Kelly wearing the black and red of Cincinnati than ND. I'd still take our kids over those at other schools.
are still the same, no? Semi-independence is still a defining, unique factor. No games scheduled against 1-AA opponents is also fairly unique; I believe USC and UCLA are the only other two programs to have not scheduled this way.
We're not the best academic school anymore. Stanford has surpassed us and we've lost to both Duke and Northwestern in recent years.
We're certainly not the best football school anymore. There are too many teams to list that have surpassed us.
I will say, with respect to the stadium, for those that were around in the 60s and 70s, how was Notre Dame Stadium unique then? No one had jumbotrons or piped in music. Just marching bands and regular scoreboards I presume. The current iteration of ND stadium is patterned on Doak Campbell, but the original was patterned on Michigan's stadium so it's not like the architecture or bowl shape was unique either. To me, it seems that the only reason ND stadium was unique in that era was due to a history of excellence on the field and not due to any accoutrements or lack thereof.