Face-offs might be going away
by molecular (2017-03-12 22:02:53)

In reply to: Question about face-offs for people who know lacrosse  posted by mikeybates


Per my son's high school lacrosse coach, there is a movement to remove face-offs except for at the start of each quarter.

The proposal is that after Team A scores, Team B gets the ball behind it's own goal, similar to basketball. Both teams would still be allowed to substitute after the goal, and then play would resume.

My understanding is this is being considered at both the college and high school level.






Sounds like the slaughter rule in HS *
by 105Marquette  (2017-03-15 19:30:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Sounds like participation trophies for everyone to me. *
by steelhop  (2017-03-13 17:00:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Would you like basketball to go back to a jump ball
by naptown  (2017-03-16 09:27:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

After every basket?


Compare the number of baskets made v. # of goals scored.
by steelhop  (2017-03-17 09:19:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

They are not the same sport.

Think of it this way. The guys without a good face-off player want to get eliminate face-off. It is "unfair" that the other team is better at something. See John Desko's quote in 2014 when Syracuse didn't. Now, compare his quotes in 2017 when he does have one.


I understand that
by naptown  (2017-03-19 10:27:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

And I know this is just a personal opinion. I just like the clearing/riding game more than face offs, and I'm not a fan of how much time there is in between a goal and the face off. I'd rather it have more flow. But I get it completely and don't anticipate that it will ever change.

Having coached girls/women's lacrosse at the high school and college level for 18 years now, I've had teams that were great at winning the draws and some that were terrible. I have been on both sides of that coin, but I still prefer to get rid of it. Just my opinion, and I know I'm in the minority.


I like this idea
by Domer65  (2017-03-13 14:01:31)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

In most games the faceoff ratios fall between 65/35 and 50/50 so making the change you describe would not drastically alter most results. However, it would improve the flow of the game. I am in favor of implementing the changes.


I'd also ask about keeping possession after shot goes out
by SixShutouts66  (2017-03-12 22:09:11)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I realize that the team with the player nearest the ball retain possession when an errant shot goes out of bounds. It seems almost all the time that the offense retains possession when this occurs. Would a shot clock that covers the entire length of possession be considered or something else?


That's what they do in the women's game now
by naptown  (2017-03-16 09:22:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

And I think it should be considered in the men's game. The women have a 90 second possession clock in college that starts immediately when their hey get the ball, no matter where it is. It will reset for certain fouls though. I think it's been a great addition to that game. I think stalls ruin the game and so I was glad to see them add it and hope something like that comes to the men's game.

As for alternating possessions, Navy's old coach, Richie Meade has been lobbying for alternating possessions for quite awhile now to speed up the game. Opponents have said that it hurts the chance of FOGO guys to get college scholarships or even find a way to play. I don't think that's enough of a reason to keep the face off though.


The only thing I'd like to see is the FOGO position go away
by steelhop  (2017-03-17 09:26:01)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I don't like the idea of a dedicated middie as a fogo. They should be able to play offense and defense. When Hopkins was dominate from 2001 to 2007, they had stretch of dominate face-off guys that could also play. Harrison, Peyser 1 and Peyser 2.


Agree completely about FOGO guys
by naptown  (2017-03-19 10:12:05)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'm not a fan of that. I don't know how to change it, or if anyone cares enough to even think about changing it, but I think they should be able to play the whole field as well.