Ya Gotta Believe
More than anything else Notre Dame has to believe it’s going to beat Michigan and by beat them I’m not talking about three points. Notre Dame has to feel they should win this game by ten and not let up for one minute. This isn’t just Michigan, it’s a statement game for the Irish. Notre Dame is still young and inexperienced and very inexperienced in playing well. You can learn a lot from constant beatings, but you certainly don’t learn to play well with consistency.
Notre Dame has three straight games of learning which should be taking hold by now. While I was definitely disappointed by Saturday’s performance against an out manned San Diego State team, I don’t believe it was the harbinger of ills that many saw it to be.
The salient question to me is whether the last game looked like last year. And for the most part, the answer was no. Most of our problems were turnovers (I’ll get into the others later.) One happened when Hughes leg was bent back (and was an iffy call.) Another happened when Clausen’s rifle bounced off Kamara’s chest. The third happened when Clausen misread the coverage and threw the fade to Kamara when the play called for him to look right. The last when happened when Allen got jacked by a defender. For a fast back, he takes too many head on hits and could have broken that run to the outside (have I said this before?)
THE GOOD
There were major differences between Saturday and last year, beginning with Jimmy Clausen. Clausen didn’t throw many bad passes on Saturday. He did miss some reads, but it’s hard to know what was where in the progression. Everyone opined about Clausen’s interception in the end zone and as Charlie mentioned, it was Clausen’s misread of the coverage, but also Kamara's failure to hustle. Hence the expletive after talking to Charlie. BTW, I like that he cusses and cares. Polite and ass-whooped is no way to go through life son.
The offensive line was better than at any time last year. We were blowing people off the hastily reconstructed line on some plays, but not without breakdowns. Still, not one sack on the day.
Sergio Brown was beat on one touchdown, but otherwise became a force for the Irish. Notre Dame needs players like Sergio to turn into game changers.
Our DBs played extremely well.
Our tackling was measurably improved.
Three of our four Special Teams played well, which should allow us to focus on the kicking game.
Golden Tate emerged as a play maker and Floyd is already showing why many think he should be starting now.
THE BAD
Our defense line showed little ability to pressure the quarterback without help. And this was against a suspect offensive line.
Our backs did not see running lanes and left yards on the table. If I were Haywood I’d make Allen break runs outside. I don’t think either is an elite back or even in the very good category yet though both have potential.
Not a good game for Duval Kamara and some lazy plays over all from the wide receiver corps.
Rudolph appears one dimensional at Tight End and is a blocking liability. I don't understand playing Rudolph yet unless Yeatman can't block.
THE STORY?
In sum, those don't look at all like the same strengths and weaknesses that we had last year. This is a different team. They had their one game of preseason. It's cliche, but now Notre Dame has to raise the level of play to a different plane and become the team it will be for the next few years.
It's time for this team to believe it's a top 15 team and forget the last year. The Irish have made significant strides to this point, but they're not going to get anywhere on Saturday unless they start believing in themselves.
To get there, you gotta believe. Right Lou?
Notre Dame has three straight games of learning which should be taking hold by now. While I was definitely disappointed by Saturday’s performance against an out manned San Diego State team, I don’t believe it was the harbinger of ills that many saw it to be.
The salient question to me is whether the last game looked like last year. And for the most part, the answer was no. Most of our problems were turnovers (I’ll get into the others later.) One happened when Hughes leg was bent back (and was an iffy call.) Another happened when Clausen’s rifle bounced off Kamara’s chest. The third happened when Clausen misread the coverage and threw the fade to Kamara when the play called for him to look right. The last when happened when Allen got jacked by a defender. For a fast back, he takes too many head on hits and could have broken that run to the outside (have I said this before?)
THE GOOD
There were major differences between Saturday and last year, beginning with Jimmy Clausen. Clausen didn’t throw many bad passes on Saturday. He did miss some reads, but it’s hard to know what was where in the progression. Everyone opined about Clausen’s interception in the end zone and as Charlie mentioned, it was Clausen’s misread of the coverage, but also Kamara's failure to hustle. Hence the expletive after talking to Charlie. BTW, I like that he cusses and cares. Polite and ass-whooped is no way to go through life son.
The offensive line was better than at any time last year. We were blowing people off the hastily reconstructed line on some plays, but not without breakdowns. Still, not one sack on the day.
Sergio Brown was beat on one touchdown, but otherwise became a force for the Irish. Notre Dame needs players like Sergio to turn into game changers.
Our DBs played extremely well.
Our tackling was measurably improved.
Three of our four Special Teams played well, which should allow us to focus on the kicking game.
Golden Tate emerged as a play maker and Floyd is already showing why many think he should be starting now.
THE BAD
Our defense line showed little ability to pressure the quarterback without help. And this was against a suspect offensive line.
Our backs did not see running lanes and left yards on the table. If I were Haywood I’d make Allen break runs outside. I don’t think either is an elite back or even in the very good category yet though both have potential.
Not a good game for Duval Kamara and some lazy plays over all from the wide receiver corps.
Rudolph appears one dimensional at Tight End and is a blocking liability. I don't understand playing Rudolph yet unless Yeatman can't block.
THE STORY?
In sum, those don't look at all like the same strengths and weaknesses that we had last year. This is a different team. They had their one game of preseason. It's cliche, but now Notre Dame has to raise the level of play to a different plane and become the team it will be for the next few years.
It's time for this team to believe it's a top 15 team and forget the last year. The Irish have made significant strides to this point, but they're not going to get anywhere on Saturday unless they start believing in themselves.
To get there, you gotta believe. Right Lou?

91 Comments:
I don't think you should neccesarily label Kyle Rudolph as being a "bad." Do we expect him to go out and be a dominant blocker in his first collegiate game? Just seems a little unfair considering his amount of playing time.
The improved tackling was very noticeable and vital for a defense that will be blitzing more and leaving defenders in more one on one situations. I found that very encouraging.
On the negative side I think Clausen stared down his receivers on just about every passing play. Don't get me wrong, I think he showed a ton of improvement, but I was really hoping to see him go through progressions rather than decide where the ball would be going before the snap.
After re-watching the game it is not time to declare the season a disaster just yet. There was much more crisp execution than at any time last year on both offense and defense.
Good post. Definitely big strides have been made with much more to be done. I see the potential in this team whereas last year it seemed hopeless until the last 2 games. There is much raw talent on this team.
Rudolph is not bad, but he blocked poorly in his first game out, which is to be expected of a freshman. The same thing happened to Ragone last year. I think Yeatman is heavier, stronger, and a better blocker at this point.
Also, I agree, I like the fire that Clausen brings. Brian Smith, Sergio Brown, Tate, and Olsen also seem like fighters. I hope it rubs off on the rest of the team.
The team that Charlie and company put on the field last Saturday looked very familiar to me. On offense we couldn't run the ball and subsequently showed no rhythm at all. Defensively, we played slowly and did a poor job of disrupting San Diego State's offense. The defensive line was a non-factor all afternoon - a really bad sign of things to come. If it wasn't for their fumble on the goalline, we would be looking at this game very differently.
The bottom line? Notre Dame is a shell of the proud football program it once was, as painful as that is to admit. Now we are reduced to searching for a few pathetic silver-linings in a sloppy win over a joke of an oppenent. San Diego State isn't a team in the top 100 programs in the country.
Most everything was hesitant and tentitive for for the first three quarters against a bad team until somebody made a play (created a fumble). You can't play football that way. Confidence will come, but Charlie's got to turn them loose. I'm less concerned about his "committment to run the football" and more worried about players not "diving in". Watch the first three offensive series this week, that will tell the tale.
In response to 508 anon...I hope you are wrong...but at this point...I tend to agree.
Lets be honest Rock...ND hasnt been dominating since the '93 team.
Seriously...we havent had a good time in 15 years..and by good I mean...like the Irish teams of Rockne, Leahy, Ara, Devine and Holtz.
Honestly? I think Charlie sucks. He was suppossed to be an offensive guru and now ..HE STOPS CALLING PLAYS...(caps intended for effect) are you kidding me?
If we get our putooka's blown out like say 38 to 0 against the Maize and Blue, then I say...fire his butt...IMMEDIEATLY...make Tununa Head Coach for the year and then next year, lets bring in...
1. DAVE COWHER
2. JIMMY JOHNSON
3. JON GRUDEN (MY FAV)
4. TERRY DONAHUE
5. LOU HOLTZ
Im tired of being mediocre...gimme me a FRICKING BREAK man. This is Notre Dame Rock...get with it.
We barely beat a team that lost to a division two team last week?
I'm tired of this...
Lets get in Gruden or what the hell...bring back Lou...
but we need to return to glory
I'm tired of getting our butts kicked by michigan and sc every year..ENOUGH
sincerly
IRISH MIKE
Anything anyone says about last week--like "crisp execution", "imporved tackling", etc., carries with it an implicit caveat: "...against San Diego State."
This game v. Michigan isn't just a statement game; it should be Charlie Wies' job on the line. If he doesn't beat a depleted Michigan team in transition, at home...he needs to go.
Why are ND fans being so patient with this guy? He didn't just go 3-9 last year; the L's were mostly blow outs, and w's were lucky to lame. The team was atrocious.
So this year, come time to show what he's done to rememdy last year's disaster--what has he done? So far, it looks like not just more of the same--but quite possibly WORSE than last year (I belive last year's team would have beaten SDSU by more than this year's team did...).
It's about time ND Nation took off the kid gloves, and started treating Charlie like the VERY HIGHLY COMPENSATED EMPLOYEE that he is, and start demanding....
....R-E-S-U-L-T-S....
...No(t) Excuses.
'92 Gator
92 GATOR...is right on man.
If we get blown out on saturday...we need to call for charlies job.
He needs to be a man...not a little boy.
I agree with Gator..why are we coddling this guy?
this is NOTRE DAME...montana? rockne? rudy? ara? horning? lujack? rice? holtz? stams, bolcar and stonebreaker? the rocket? the green jerseys? COME ON ROCK...stop babying this guy.
We beat Michigan. or he's gone! end of story.
Rock..I want you to reply? stop babying this guy..You know Gator and I are right...
sincerly
IRISH MIKE
Thanks for showing why this team is better than last year. I am really suprised that our fans and Haters pretending to be fans can't see that.
Rudolph was not uniformly bad blocking, just inconsistent. Everyone remembers the time he got pwned by the DE, who came down the line and tackled Allen for no gain, but nobody remembers the time he blew his guy (LB or DE) off the line to set up a four or five yard gain.
92 Gator and Irish Mike -
I respect your passion and as an alum I feel your pain when I see the Irish struggle. But I have to say, your attitude is what gives the haters the bad impression they have of Domers.
All the history/tradition that comes with being ND has absolutely no bearing on what happened against SDSU and what will happen this Saturday. Feeling like we are entitled to victory just because we had great players in the past is foolish.
Frustrating as it may be, we need to look at this team and judge its success (or lack thereof) objectively. This team could hardly do anything right last year and for most of the SDSU game. To see them come up big in the closing minutes of that game was a relief. Last year, they would have rolled over and played dead.
There is nothing wrong with having high expectations for this team, but you also need to weigh the facts and understand that there are still growing pains to be had. You can't go from last years debacle to success without improving fundamentals. Rock was just pointing out that progress is being made in that respect.
- ILDomer17
I grew up a fan and am still in college as we speak, i dont remember the winning days but i have to say that if charlie doesnt win against michigan this weekend, it should be his job, not b/c of how great we used to be but how great we could be with the talent on the team. and please no more nfl guys as coach, can any one say SkIP HOLTZ? Look at what he has done not just this year but since he has been at eastern Carolina... I hope we dont lose to michigan once again but if we do, please FIRE Charlie.
We're patient with Weis because he only lost 4 games in his first two regular seasons combined. Which is better than Holtz. He is also a top notch recruiter. You clowns that are calling for his job would like to see ND in perpetual loop of hiring new coaches, and firing them when they don't immediately win a championship, and then blaming the next guy when he can't come in and immediately clean up the mess. By the end of this season, as Clausen and the other youngsters start reaching their potential, you'll be changing your tune.
I Think calling for Charlie's head is a little premature. He had a bad year last year for reasons everyone who reads this blog knows well. This year didn't start out the greatest but there are some things and players to build on and maybe by next year the team can actually become competitive with any team in the nation. I think this year needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I hate all the excuses too but the team's youth across the board can't be ignored. This year's team will exhibit inconsistent brilliance. It will lose some games it should have won (it lost to SDSU but got lucky and then capitlized...such is the game) and it will win games in which it is overmatched(hopefully at least one). That being said...I believe I will be in the "Charlie needs to move on" boat if we have a replay of the SDSU game when we play Nevada next year.
I agree with San Diego Irish...
We need to quit this hyper-active opinion hysteria that defines sports culture today. Building a program is not going to happen overnight. Could another coach have won more than 3 games last year? Probably yes. Could another coach have won 7 or 8 games last year? I really really doubt it. I think Knute Rockne himself would have had a hell of a time last year trying to win games consistently. That team just had so little experience in really key positions. But like everyone, I agree that Charlie certainly made some big mistakes last year. However, Charlie is doing EXACTLY what Notre Dame needs recruiting-wise. He is winning that battle, with the odds stacked against him, very consistently. That is VERY important for this program, because, despite the tradition, it is a tough sell to a lot of great high school football players to ask them to be student-athletes. Also, when you have the media just constantly, constantly bashing Notre Dame, still calling it a racist institution, years after Ty was fired (funny thing, UW fans are completely livid about his abysmal coaching and recruiting (www.FireTW.com....who saw that coming?). Can you imagine how tough it is to recruit top-notch black athletes with that bullshit in their face constantly? C'mon people, give Charlie some credit there. 1# RECRUITING CLASS this year! When was the last time ND had that? Not within the past decade for sure. If they fire Charlie this year, that foothold into recruiting will take a major hit. Charlie for sure has proven that he can win with an experienced team. Thus, I think it would be wise for ND nation to have just an ounce of patience, and wait for this young squad to get enough game experience under their belt to get the juices flowing.
This is NOT the year to fire Charlie. Not winning 8 or 9 next year, ok there's something wrong there. But give the guy some credit please. Quit this constant messianic crazed bullshit....."oh Skip Holtz is doing great at ECU, fire Charlie now cuz he's doing bad and bring in Skip." Are you kidding me? Please, tell me your kidding? We fire Charlie after the Michigan game, and NO ONE will want to coach here. Not Skip Holtz, not John Gruden (not that he ever wanted to coach here....that's for you guy who wants John Gruden)...NO ONE. Well, at least no one good. We'll end up with another Ty Willingham if that happens(actually, Ty Willingham might be our only option).
We all know, Michigan will be a tough game, and based on last week's performance, we probably won't win. However, WE WILL WIN games this year! We will go to a bowl. I guarantee it. This team will show flashes of brilliance this year.
Patience, please. It's such an uncommon virtue these days, but that's what we need. Charlie is BUILDING a program that needed to be rebuilt. It's not there yet, but it is happening. Please don't knock it to the ground before it's standing.
One key point about this great posting by the Rock is that, as ND FANS, it doesn't make sense to fry Charlie for an ugly win. This is college sports. Sometimes mediocre teams beat great times. Sometimes good teams lose to bad teams. The bottom line is wins and loses. Not surpassing the spread is not a loss. That's how everyone seems to be treating it, which to me, makes everyone a Mark May. Are we fans, or are we pseudo-intellectual ESPN sports commentators that lead ND-hater nation?
Yeah... let's fire the entire coaching staff every 4 to 5 years; that's a great way to build consistency for the football program.
Everyone is frustrated that things aren't going as well as anticipated, but as long as Charlie works hard to bring in the recruits, which in turn creates depth as well as adjusting his style of coaching as needed, I'm willing to be patient.
Don't forget that ND doesn't have the advantage of JUCO transfers or a generous red-shirt policy like every other Div-I program to help the cause.
With the level of parity in college football, the days of winning a National Championship in 3 to 4 seasons is much more difficult than it was 25 years ago.
Yeah, it would be great to be flawless in the first game of the season, but this year is still a transition year and as long as there is improvement each game and the players are doing their best, I'll take the wins along with the losses.
guys this is IRISH MIKE again....and let me first say..i LOVE notre dame...i am an alum..and I bleed green and blue.
But I'm just not sold on Charlie. I'm sorry, but I'm not. I, along with Gator 92 and others, it seems aren't sold on this cat either.
Since when did we domers settle for mediocrity? What the hel?
San Diego Mike...I take exception to you calling me a hater...I bet I know more about the IRish than you ever will.
It's my alma mater man...so please dont call me a hater.
come on Rock...YOu know...deep in your heart...that Weis, probably aint our guy.
We BARELY beat san diego state...Look guys...I want to be wrong, I hope I am wrong and If Charlie thumps Michigan, then San DIego Mike..I'll buy you a beer..I"m in Los Angeles now...I'll buy you ten beers...for that matter...
But when we have trouble beating sdsu...then theres something wrong.
and Rock..I love you man...but please stop sugar coating things...
We need to return to greatness....and 4 turnovers and losing to sdsu halfway through the third? come on man?
IRISH MIKE
Charlie is a huge liability. This team was completely unprepared and uninspired again on saturday. It has become an epidemic. This is Notre Dame. If we wanted to continue to struggle against teams like the Aztecs, Ty would still be here recruiting like he was at Stanford.
The play calling was an absolute embarassment. It looked like a stoned Bob Davie was calling plays out there. Who is this clown Haywood and why is he calling plays? I've seen more excitement at a curling competition.
Armando Allen is a joke. Its almost like defenders are a magnet for him. Honestly, have any of you ever seen a guy with less field vision? He is awful and should be no where near the starting job.
Duval Kamara should no longer be starting. When he decides to put forth some effort and pay attention he may be good enough for the second string.
The fact that Floyd and Tate aren't the starting WR should be more than enough to punch Charlie's ticket. Seriously, Charlie manages this team like George Bush has managed our economy-right into the ground.
Michigan is going to destroy, humiliate, and embarrass the Irish again this weekend and I am sick of it. Weis is a failure of epic proportions. San Diego State? Wow. Wake up and quit defending this guy people, he was another bad hire. Hopefully the new AD will learn from the last one's multitude of epic mistakes. mistakes that have set this program back YEARS.
Enough already. Skip Holtz and/or Brian Kelly would bemore than happy to coach the Irish and they actually know how to coach college football. If this team doesn't win at least 8 games, not an unreasonable expectatio, and one that years ago would have been a poor season, then Charlie should be sent back to the NFL where he excels.
Ok anonymous,
Let's go with your plan. Let's just fire Charlie right now, and we'll bring Skip Holtz or Brian Kelly. Hey, since you're so sure that that would work, why don't we put you in charge of bringing them in? You're sure they'll quite their jobs and hop right in, right? And also, once they step in we're going to start pounding teams every single Saturday and retain our recruiting momentum....as long as said coach is there, right?
ok, great, sounds awesome, these are all great ideas. There are no flaws.
Hey, you sound like you'd be a good play caller too. Once we bring in the new staff, you can be the offensive coordinator.
Oh wait....what should we do if some of that stuff happens to not work out? ....Considering that if some of those moves don't work out, it would be an absolute debaucle for the program. Possibly an unsalvagable situation.
You're cool with that kind of pressure, right? You'll need to be as the next offensive coordinator
I'd say let him finish off the year, but he's still stuck in the pros and it's only a matter of time. Unfortunatly, I think teams have figured him out. Those little 3 yrd dink passes have been exposed since the LSU/OSU game. Still, not a bad guy, just couldn't figure it out.
To all those people saying that Skip Holtz would love to coach at ND... many many people were saying the same thing about Urban Meyer just a few years ago. Coaches are going to look out for themselves. If they know there is no security at ND and that they will not be given the chance to build their own program, why would they take the chance to come here? ND needs to stick with Weis: 1. because he was basically without two classes of players last year and 2. because of the long term implications to the program if they were to get rid of him after anything less than 5 years. this is not a matter of settling for mediocrity, its a matter of not being shortsighted and only concerned about 2008.
This was a great, well-informed post. I couldn't agree more with everything you've written here. Thanks for the nice post.
ND fans need to wake up. Since when is 3 wins OK for a coach. I don't care if he recruits great or not. If you can't develope the talent, it does not matter. Weis has not got better since he has been at ND. Every year he has got worse. Who cares about the BCS games becasue they should not have been there.
I don't know why you guys give Charlie such a pass. Wake up guys.
LETS FIRE CHARLIE WEIS
I'm tired of being a second class citizen in college football
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Losing to SDSU most of the game..and barely eeking out a win?
We should've lost...
C'mon Rock...gimme a break!
I love Notre Dame and will not accept Mediocrity.
Maybe you will Rock...but not me.
Lets bring in SKIP HOLTZ with his dad as assistant coach
WHO'S WITH ME?
IRISH MIKE
Did Irish Mike really suggest Jimmy Johnson?...Really? This is Notre Dame, not "The Longest Yard." Cheating is for USC and Miami, not Notre Dame.
Who is this Irish Mike guy? Dude, if you're going to post over 3 comments can you at least make them 3 different comments. All of them were the same: "C'mon Rock,I'm tired of this, C'mon Rock, Fire Weis, Hire Holtz, C'mon Rock". After reading all those C'mon Rocks I thought I was watching Mick from the Rocky movies
I appreciate the patience and the faith in Coach Weis; I respect the fan loyalty and maturity in resisting what would appear to be "knee jerk reaction" to calling for Weis' head after the first game--I really do.
...but I'm not knee-jerk reacting here. As I posted above, Charlie Weis had his mulligan last year. 3-9; makes you cringe, but you take it, and focus on the future.
The future (in terms of last season's disaster) is here--it arrived last week.
SDSU WAS his statement game. That was the game where Weis was to show the world and ND Nation in particular, what his system is supposed to look like. It looked worse than last year.
How do I figure, you ask? Here's how: the worse team Notre Dame played last year was Duke. 1-9 vs. 1-9. Notre Dame won handily, 28-7. Duke last year was MUCH BETTER than San Diego State this year. I have very little doubt that last year's team would have beaten SDSU by 3-4 td's.
So what I saw Saturday was basically last year's team, without Trevor Laws or Zbikowki.
Charlie has these kids playing WAY below their potential--AGAIN! In case you're missing the point, the program is trending downwards (and before you counter with "yeah, but look at all the great recruits"--please note that you're only advancing my point--he's sucking out loud, with great recruits).
Miami canned Larry Coker merely 5 years after winning a NC (and 4 after playing for one) because the program was trending downwards.
UF canned Ron Zook because the program plateued in year 3. After losing to Miss State, AD Foley realized things weren't getting better. He identified a trend. Zook never saw a year worse than 8-5, and his Gators were ALWAYS competitive--but 8-5 wasn't good enough--for a program that for 8 1/2 decades before Spurrier arrived, was renowed for its mantra of "...wait'll next year."
I appreciate and respect y'all's patience--and up until last Saturday, I was in your camp. But after what I saw against SDSU, I'm convinced that the situation with Wies is chronic. This year IS an extension of last year...
...and that's simply unacceptable for what he's getting paid, and far more importantly...
...for Notre Dame Football standards.
I'm not trying to be negative for the sake of being negative; I'm simply offering an honest, objective perspective--for whatever it may be worth.
'92 Gator
P.S.--as a Buc's fan, I'd be thrilled if y'all relieved us of Jon Gruden....from which you may infer that you do NOT want anything to do with him; he's a clown.
Dave Cowher?? AHH Bill?
Love the Rock- and feel this post is right on- without the turnovers, this wouldn't have been close.
One of the bads, however, is the inability (?) to run the ball consistently.
However, it is possible that Mike Haywood was throwing his most vanilla sets against them in preparation against Michigan.
We shall see.
Thanks for your ideas and observarions.
jhkbThankfully many of the posters to this Rock Report are not in the position of the ND Athletic Director.
Firing Charlie Weis during the season isn't going to happen unless he commits a crime or other sordid act that cannot be tolerated.
I have never seen such a dumb list of possible coaches to be hired after CW is fired...at least in the mind of one poster.
Too many Irish fans live in the era of yesterday football. We will be back, but this year will only be a step in that direction. A 6-7 win season and a bowl appearance is going to be an improvement with a significant step forward coming in '09.
I'm tired. I'm tired of reading comments from self-proclaimed Irish football gurus. It is true that the Irish struggled last year. It's also true that for 3 quarters of the SDSU game (except for Floyd's catch), Notre Dame reminded me of last year's team. But one thing I will mention is the look in the players' eyes. I have been priviliged to be on the field for the past 2 years, and I will tell you there is a different look to this team. Last year, all I ever saw was bewilderment and a "deer in the headlights" look. This year is completely different. I see confidence and desire. I see excitement...and it even looks like the kids are having fun. Isn't that what football is about. Having fun? Sure, everyone wants to see their team win, so give Charlie time to rebuild...yes REBUILD the Irish, and we will again be great. But rebuilding takes TIME! This is something that "fans" like Irish Mike don't seem to understand. It is sad to see that a fellow Fighting Irish alum could ever speak in such a way of ND. Irish Mike, you are not an ND fan, you do not "love" ND. If you did, then you would have faith, and that would be enough. True fans always root for their team, and believe in their coaches. Let the administration decide what to do with Charlie. I recommend that to all of you uptight posters and fickle alums take the advice of Rock and have a little faith. Without faith, what's the point of being a fan?
Good post. Shows some ballance. I don't care whether it is building a sports program or a company, it takes some time. You need to get the right people in place and then train them. Anyone who thinks there are no similarities, probably knows little about both.
Weis has already been invited to 2 BCS games so we know he can win. The utter stupidity of removing him as coach after a win borders on the comical. This program is turning around. They need to learn to win. This year will be a rollicoaster ride with highs and lows as the team learns. I'm looking forward to a lot more wins than last year and some heartburn as well!
Very good post. The thing that scares me from last week was the lack of basic fundementals. After having 9 months to prepare for SDST this should not have been an issue. This is a statement game for ND and maybe the most important game in the CW era to date. Time to stop the talk and kick some butt.
Son of a son of a Domer:
As usual in this day and age few sports discussions, especially with the anonymity of the internet, end up being more than extremist rants on one side of the discussion or the other. I gleaned two things from Saturday's game...first, there were still many lingering trends from the previous season and two, at least ND was not in fact WORSE in any particular area. It is the type of scenario that leaves you feeling sick, maybe flu-like, with a tiny-bit of hope that the "illness" will not last as long as the previous time you came down with influenza.
The line allowed zero sacks, and everyone says well, it was against SDSU. Agreed, so given SDSU stinks they should have not allowed any sacks. The line could not run the ball...true, but it did not seem worse than last year, although it still sucks. Who knows if Allen's momentum killing fumble stalled what may have been some downhill blocking momentum and groove for the O-line. ND still has very young backs, and a very inexperienced line. Clausen absolutely looked better, and you can only hang the one int on him, along with the miss of Tate in the endzone earlier.
On defense, guess what, the D-line had trouble getting pressure on the QB...is there any irish fan who is unaware that the D-line is thin with inexperienced (or lack of upperclass) talent?? Guess what the D-line is not going to be that good this year. They simply lack experienced talent. By the same token I believe the DB's were for the most part excellent. Granted, again, it was SDSU, but they played the WR's like they were SDSU. Everyone was talking about Sergio Brown but I think he was a perfect metaphor for the state of the defense. He seemed to come clear a lot on the blitz and once he was approaching the QB he appeared to stop too soon (maybe tentative on whether or not he should commit) to try and flail and disrupt the passer. We were far more effective with a Smith or Neal just running straight through the QB. I want to see more of that commitment and less of a tentative approach. And by the way, their QB does not suck...I would rate him well ahead of the Michigan quarterbacks.
Anyway, all in all, I am allowing for a second look this coming weekend. Try to bear in mind that this was a HORRIFIC offensive team last year...arguably the worst in college football. That has to weigh on a team's psyche no matter how you slice it...and would be difficult to shake. If Hughes scores on that nicely developed drive and Kamara catches that ball to keep the chains moving and the D off the field, I wonder if a collective exhale would not have happened sooner and we would not have seen a looser and better executing team earlier...Again, a 4turnover game for a young and historically terrible offense can make even the coaches in the box tentative. They are 1-0. Everyone take a deep breath.
I enjoy reading posts concerning football from the popped collar crowd. Yep let's fire Charlie... If half you had a clue you would be dangerous. Irish Mike please do yourself a favor STFU.
For everyone calling for CW's job and ready to call this season a failure because we ALMOST lost to SDSU in the FIRST game of the year (caps for emphasis), try out this analogy...
Imagine you are sophomore finance major in the Mendoza College of Business. One day the investment bank that you did an intership for last summer calls you and says that most of the full-time bankers have quit or can't hack it. They see a great deal of potential in you and want to hire you even though you don't fully understand the basics of investment banking.
Sounds ridiculous, right? How long do you think it would take for that investment bank to be competitive in the marketplace?
That's basically what CW is going through. It's hard to develop consistency when you have so much youth across the board, especially at the skill positions. CW has been put into a tough spot but because he's recruiting well I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
Given what happened last year and in the SDSU game, it's unreasonable to expect more than 7 or 8 wins from this team with no hiccups along the way. Can you hope for more (see: Holtz,Lou)? Sure. On paper, the only team that is clearly better than ND is USC. We have at least a chance to win every other game.
What you CAN and SHOULD expect from this team hard work and emotion. That's what was missing for 3 1/2 quarters against SDSU and what made watching that game so frustrating. If they don't get fired up against UM right off the bat, they're going to be in trouble.
- ILDomer17
I don't think the O-line dominated or pushed off the ball at all. There were a lot of chop blocks which I don't understand considering they beefed up the O-line and SDSU's D-line was their weakness. If anything, my biggest concern was how poor the line looked at run blocking. Allen and Hughes are very good backs, but no back can do much when they have to make their first move behind the LOS which they had to do a couple of times.
the negativity directed toward coach weis & the players is counterproductive...i am just as upset as most of irish fans are about the apparent "lack of improvement" in our team, but progress is not made instantly - time is needed for growth & development
as fans in general (and nd fans in particular), i think our expectations have gotten a bit out of hand in terms of appreciating what goes into completely building a team from the bottom up
just remember, these are 18, 19, 20y/o young men working their hardest to do us proud
keep the faith...go irish!!
irish mike - bleed green & blue? uh - it's blue & gold
The offensive scheme is all too similar to last year's predictable throw first, run second scheme. The bigger problem is the lack of intensity and enthusiasm FROM THE COACHING STAFF. The field leadership must come from the juniors and seniors (can you say "captains"). These kids don't know how to win and you can't expect freshmen and sophs to carry the emotional load when things get tough. On Sat when the team was behind these kids were looking for some leadership and weren't getting any on the field or off. None of this is gloom and doom but kids need to learn how to win on this level as much as they need to be taugh technique etc. Getting the plays called more quickly would help a bunch also.
I do not even know where to begin after reading some of responses to this story.
All I can say is that it is pretty hard to run on a team when they put 9 in the box, even if it is SDSU.
I do not agree with canning the guy immediately if he loses this game. You are talking about the potential of losing a lot of Weis' recruits in the freshman and sophomore ranks, and maybe the incoming verbals. Look at how many of Losingham's guys(yeah I know...they all sucked anyway)left when he got canned. These guys chose ND because of him. They bought into ND because of him. They saw what he did with the Patriots, Tom Brady, and Brady Quinn.
I truly believe Latina could be the problem. At the end of the day it comes back to Charlie, but you beef up an O-line whose real problem was not understanding the schemes last year. Ever play football and not know who you were blocking when the ball gets snapped?? Yeah...you look like the ND o-line last year. Also, charlie was running practices like the pros during the season with less hitting. Not good. So now....they know who they are blocking, but now they are slow because they are bigger.
Did I want to see them look more dominant last week?? You bet your sweet ass I did. They also should hsve scored 35pts. I do hate their play calling on the goal line. Very predictable.
So Irish Mike....shut up and have some patience. You are sort of a moron to think that they will look like LSU this year.
On the other hand Mike, we will see how they look the next 3 games. If they do show any improvement against the Big Ten, then there is cause for concern.
Also....
Cowher is happy in the booth.
Gruden loves that he does not have to go out and Recruit.
Jimmy Johnson Hates Notre Dame.
Lou?? Come on man.
Skip Holtz...yes, but Lou??
look its early yeah they didn't look good thru the first three quaters. but when the game was on the line they got it done. I have been a nd fan all my life and pained me last year to see them go 3-9. yet i don't want to put up the white flag and give up on the season give the team a chance oh and jimmy johson nice call not what are we going to become thug u. if charlie doesn't get it done this year then get rid of him ad bring in skip holtz. Just remeber we have talent here its all about beliving in yourself. GO IRISH BEAT MICHIGAN
Wow! Now there's some PASSION on this board. Now, let's hope we see it on the field Saturday. Then, we can revisit all of this once again, and again, and again.
Me? Before going totally CRAZY, I'm waiting until after Oct. 25th at Washington. The season will be more than half-over, and we'll have seen MORE than enough to defend our respective positions. Maybe more than we can collectively handle!
mpsND'72
This is a very talented and young squad. They are so close but they are right on the edge. The Michigan game is crucial. Another loss and this team can very easily slide back into the nightmare of 07. Yes there are lot's of positives and negatives to expound on after the SDS game.
I believe the missing ingredient is what Charlie eluded to when he first arrived. Where's the "NASTY"? There are some individuals who play this way but as team they are lethargic. I can handle a loss when our boys are leaving it all out there on the field. Unfortunately I haven't witnessed this since the SC game back in 05'. This is one of the drawbacks to a headcoach who never played the game. Hopefully coach Tenuta and the others can instill this. Believe me, once it starts it turns into a feeding frenzy! This team is young but is loaded with talent. Yes they will make mistakes but in most cases they can be overcome. This team is so close to moving back into the upper echelon for years to come. I understand every player can't play every game like a bunch of fanatical razors but without emotion this team will slip back and recruiting will begin to fall off as well.
Here's hoping they turn the corner against Michigan. Go Irish!
HOW DARE YOU, IRISH MIKE!!!!
HOW DARE YOU....
...question how your alma mater is spending $2 + million/ year on its fb coach...
...question the lack of results yielded by said coach...
...or the lack of apparent progress...
No sir...you are to STFU, take your paddling like a good little soldier, and after each whack, promply shout out: "...thank you sir, may I have another..."
So Irish Mike doesn't love his alma mater because he suggested that Charlie Weis should be called upon to account for his shortcomings???
Are you guys serious?
[rhetorical; just something to ponder].
'92 Gator
this is IRISH MIKE again
and to the one blogger who told me to STFU...I have to respectfully decline your invitation...I am a passionate domer..have been my whole life, and I for one, will not sit idly by while my brethern settle for mediocrity.
I just wont.
I want the passion, the glory and the pride that we used to have...
I'm sorry, but it's been 15 years since we've had a great team..not blaming for charlie for all of them...but it's time we get a signature win...and that win comes SATURDAY.
We have to win...and win handily.
I'm sorry, but not buying we are YOUNG TEAM...so was sc in 04 and 05.
Leinert was a sophomore when he took over for Carson...and look how they did...in fact they were younger than we are now.
Since when did we rest on our laurels and accept 7 wins as ok.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
that attitude is exaclty why we are where we are today gentleman.
Lets get NASTY...LETS GO FOR BLOOD AND BEAT MICHIGAN 38 to 0 like they did to us boys.
It's time for SOME PAYBACK
thank you gator 92...its nice to know I do not stand alone.
We are a BAND OF BROTHERS...and we will come together in time of glory and in the heat of battle.
Irish Mike
Irish Mike - I agree with your sentiment about wanting payback. I hate those damn skunkbears!
As for the current youth movement on the team, there seem to be two categories of fans:
1) those who see the team's inexperience as the REASON we were so bad last year and the REASON we will struggle at times this year against inferior teams, and
2) those who see the team's inexperience as an EXCUSE.
I fit into the first category, as do many others on this thread, while you and Gator fit into the second category. Nothing wrong with either of those, just a difference of opinion.
Yes, Matt Leinart was young when he took over for Palmer, but what was the experience/talent level of his O-line, receivers, and running backs? To simply say that he was successful at that point in his career without looking at his support, and then compare that to Jimmy, is unfair. I don't know the answer to my own question, but I'd be willing to bet you a beer that he was put into a much better position to succeed than Jimmy.
- ILDomer17
That being said, I also want to see this team get fired up and rip some Wolverine heads off! It's time to play with some passion!
- ILDomer17
With all due respect to you, Irish Mike, a win on Saturday will NOT be a "signature win." It will be a win. Nothing more. And it is what should be expected, against a Michigan team that is not worthy of "signature win" status this year.
~mpsND'72
mps 72
I hope you are right...lets see what happens.
I just dont feel like this team has any fire or compassion...is it just me?
goooooooooo irishhhhhhhhhh
IRISH MIKE
ps...ROCK...
I am calling you to task...
I want to know your opinion on the comments on this blog
Looks like I stirred up a hornets nest...
Come out from your wall of hiding and answer us.
We want answers...WE WANT THE TRUTH...and let me tell you..I CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH...because the truth is you WANT ME ON THAT WALL...YOU NEED ME ON THAT WALL
:D
go irish
IRISH MIKE
I wrote the post about hiring Kelly or Holtz and I want to clarify one thing: I never said to can Charlie now. I clearly said "if he does not win 8 games." So, matt, that blows your whole first paragraph. Next time, get it straight.
As for a new hire AFTER the season, a new coach, who knows how to get it done at the college level, would step in and win right away with this talent. Notre Dame's problem is coaching. Particularly on the offensive side of the ball.
Please watch an actual ND football game before you post a rant aimed at my analysis of Weis the liability. The offense is so simplistic it is laughable. After you watch a ND game, turn on ANY OTHER COLLEGE PROGRAM and examine their offense. I submit to you that ND's will be worse (and it was last in D-I last year). To quote a Michigan player from two years ago, "We knew every play that was coming before they hiked the ball." Yeah.
Again, watch a Notre Dame game, please.
If there is anyone on this board, including matt, who does not think Brian Kelly or Holtz would come to South Bend in an instance, I welcome the debate. One coaches at Cincinnati, the other at ECU. Urban Meyer had an offer from Florida, a little different than the aforementioned schools.
As for Haywood, anyone could call run left, run left, pass. So, yes, matt, I would be happy to take over the OC position if that is all it requires.
This has nothing to do with some of the banter that has been going on, and more to do with the article itself. I, personally, like to think of the team in years. Last year they were freshman, this year sophmores, next year juniors etc. based on the average year of the team. That said, as a freshman, you can't do anything right, as a sophmore you do things well but in streaks, as a junior you do things well consistently, and as a senior you do things great consistently. If you follow this logic, it means this year will be streaky good, next year consistent good, and the year after great...just a thought
Anon/11:37 PM:
"......Coaches are going to look out for themselves. If they know there is no security at ND and that they will not be given the chance to build their own program, why would they take the chance to come here?..."
Here's why:
1. The Notre Dame job right now, is perhaps the most desirable job in America, precisely because of the state it is in. The Cupboard is stocked; ANY HALFWAY DECENT COACH would be able to convert this squad into a damn good fb team, because of the talent--and that's exactly why I'm saying Charlie Weis needs to be put on notice; get the ship righted ASAP, or pack your bags.
...and...the expectations are OH SO COMFORTABLY LOW.
2. You also wrote: "...To all those people saying that Skip Holtz would love to coach at ND... many many people were saying the same thing about Urban Meyer just a few years ago..."
EXACTLY. Urban Meyer came to UF because A.) the Cuppboard was full compliments of Ron Zook; B.) the expectations had been significantly lowered, also compliments of Ron Zook. (there's also a C and a D, but they're not germaine here).
3. Along the lines of Holtz and Meyer-those kinds of coaches don't sit on the coaching tree for very long after they're ripe--and Skippy's looking awful ripe!
The bottom Line: I'm not saying fire Weis right now. I AM saying that after last week, you have to be prepared for the possibility of having a repeat of '07, and if that happens, Notre Dame has got to be prepared to make a move.
...and let Charlie know all about it-let him know his job is on the line...put the pressure on....that's why he get's the big bucks! Make him earn it!
That's my point--put the pressure on!
What is he a gub'mint employee?
Does he have tenure?
Why the kid gloves?
Hold those feet to the fire; Make him earn your loyalty and your repect, don't just give it to him blindly and freely; if he's worth keeping around, keep him.
Do you pay your employees without demanding results?
Do you accept a paycheck, without having to account for results?
Why should CW be any different?
Results...or the door. That's life....not hatred.
Business is business...and CFB is serious business.
'92 Gator
I have been a Notre Dame
fan all my life, and live
in Utah. If you want to beat Michigan; we need to
put the ball in the air all
the time, with a few plays
on the ground. We have the talent to do so. Ask Joe
Montana and Joe Namath and
some of your other great
quarter backs if they would
go to the air, or launch a
ground attack, with the
great wideouts Notre Dame
has this year, come on now
thats go 3 & 4 wide all the
time, thats drive Michigan
nuts, they will not be able
to cover all are guys, you
will always have one or two
guys open for Jimmy. All of
are receivers are very good
it would be different if we
didn't have that kind of
talent. We have the likes
of Michael Floyd, Golden
Tate, Dieon Walker, Kyle
Rudolph, Duval Kamara, and
David Grimes,thats use that
talent A great passing team
will always beat a great
ground attack, and put up
more points in less time.
Go Irish
http://www.herloyalsons.com/blog/2008/09/11/calmer-than-you/
Biscuit says it better than I can.
CRANK IT UP! Hey everyone, I know this is a little off topic but I thought I would mention it. If you did not attend the first pep rally or game, there is a new chant that the football players started. It is "Crank It Up!" with a fist pump for each word. Just before the big fumble recovery, the cheerleaders started this chant with the student body and the defense reacted really well. I was wondering if someone could write a brief article about it as to spread the word to ND fans on NDNation. If all the fans could participate in this chant, it would really fire up the team! They need all the help they can get! Thanks.
-ZB
ZB - Sadly, this is where ND fans fall well short of other teams' fans. The students are great, but the rest of the fans need some serious training in fandom. I get so jealous of the students who get to act crazy while I have to sit with the other 70,000 people who would rather sit on their hands than get up and shout "Kill!" during the Emperor's March.
If the student body was larger it might be a good idea to split it in half and put them at opposite ends of the stadium. That way the non-students would be completely enveloped in the cheers and they might join in. Just a thought.
Wow, you Charlie haters seem to forget that last year was the first year "his" players were on the field. A team of nothing but freshman and sophmores with no major playing experience. Charlie is bringing in the talent. Give the guy time to develop them into the team we expect them to be. Nobody is saying that we are satisfied with a 3-9 season but you have to realize that this is not an overnight process.
It's "Crank me up"
ILDomer17, you are correct.
Those who believe you could axe CW and his replacement would come in and make a run for the NC first year are forgetting a very basic truth.
Many of the young players, (FR. and SO.), we have chose ND because of CW. If he is fired as some of you nuts think he should be, there will be an exodus to USC, FL, GA, etc.
Get real! Give it time. You are silly for judging the Irish after one game. This is going to be a tougher season than many realize.
Just reading another article off of ndnation about the Miami/ND game, and thought of something. ND said they got pissed off and were ready to start a fight...I think that is whats missing. ND has great players that love to play the game, but they need to cop an attitude like this is their turf and NOBODY comes in a takes it to them. Its that mentality like I'm gonna kill you that helped them to the championships in the past...time they started that again.
I'm not in favor of canning Charlie yet. But the thing that bothers me are his statements that he would rather have an ugly win than a well played loss. Not that I like losing, but acceptance of sloppy and ugly play will never get a team to its maximum potential. I'll take a hard fought last- second loss to USC over a sloppy win over SDSU any day. That would inspire me
more to hope for more wins in the future.
Charlie is not saying that he is happy with the sloppy peformance. He is just saying that he would rather have a win, no matter how ugly, than have a loss.
Irish Mike, you can't possibly be an alum and be that simple minded! It is astounding how poised everyone was to shout "fire Weis" the minute we didn't get our first first down last week.
Here's an analogy. ND is like a person who is overcoming a serious life threatening disease ( let's call it Daviehamitis). In 2005 and 2006, we performed through our symptoms because we had good health in some areas that carried us through and caused us to overlook the major symptoms of a disease that could ultimately kill us, namely piss poor recruiting and no lineman on defense or offense. If Quinn wasn't so good or didn't have the Shark or Stoval we may have actually given in to those symptoms then. But we fooled ourselves and didn't listen to the doctor.
Well 2007 arrived and guess what? Those symptoms became a full fledged life threatening disease and by God it just about killed us. However with the help of some much needed medicine (great recruiting classes), some additional doctors (Tenuta) and a few shifts in treatment plans (coaching philosophy) I believe that we have somehow stopped this disease just before ND football succumbed. We are now on a slow painful road to recovery. This year we will show that recovery but we will also show the effects of just how ill and close to death we were. We aren't back to full strength yet. Who would be after that bout with near death? But by God, in the fourth quarter against SDSU the atrophy and scar tissue were tearing away and the new heathy patient began to emerge.
From now on, each week we will get better and better. We may stumble here and there but we will keep getting better. And Weis will guide us there. He may have been an Intern when he started, but he is clearly on his way to growing in to a full fledged Doctor and will continue to get this patient better and keep this patient healthy!!
Go Irish!
Is it illegal to throw the ball over the middle? I am confused. Not one throw (quick slants don't count as over the middle) was over the middle. You have to use the whole field to really be affective in the passing game. The side lines are just another defender.
you know I have been reading Ndnation steadily since '04. I think it is highly unfair to look at 1 game (SDSU) and say things are no better than last year.
Cases in point:
No sacks given up. Much more effictive passing game. Much improved tackling on D. Did we struggle in many areas? Yes. Did OSU struggle in game #2 vs a foe not much better than SDSU? Yes. In college football today these types of games happen with great frequency (see USC getting beaten at home in '07 to a Stanford team beaten by ND).
Remember we are still one of the very youngest teams in the nation with no chance to bring in help by getting Juco transfers like so many of the major programs do (see FSU, FLA and just about any other D1 team). So when a TRUE freshman like Rudolph plays in his first game at 18 vs guys who are 22 and 23, what do you expect? Of course he missed assignments and blocks, but the real questiion is: Were we improved on both sides of the ball and do we have more talent than last year? I think after watching that game live and again later in the week, the answer is quite clearly yes.
Irish Mike,
After reading your overly repetitive comments I have a new nickname for you, Prison Mike, because that is obviously where you received your GED. Haha, just kidding playa, but not really.
So Prison Mike,
I'm calling you out right now. The reason you and 92 gator share the same views is because you are the same person. It's pretty obvious Prison Mike. You post at the same time, and you both share a love for ellipsis. I'm sorry dude, but that is pretty lame. Oh yeah, and don't try to tell me it's not true because it will only make me laugh more than I already am.
I am embarrassed by some of the posting done in this comments section. You ND alums better know how to spell and form logical sentences. Some of you write as poorly as ND played in 2007. Ugh.
Weis is not going anywhere. Quit calling for his head if you know what's right for the program. Think about it for a minute and you'll get it.
This is IRISH MIKE...and to Anon 9:00...I hate to break it to you, but gator and I are not the same person.
We were separated at birth by Bo Schembechler.
We are now here to wreak havoc on Michigan.
We,as twins...believe that if we believe that our Irish will win..then they will win.
Right?
Come on guys.
Show some guts...why are we coddling CW.
I cant believe that we Irish fans and alums...are gonna sit still and accept being ordinary.
I WILL NOT.
WE HAVE TO WIN ON SATURDAY.
NO EXCUSES. PERIOD.
I'm not giving CW any more rope.
This is the the time to shine. So grow a pair and lets make some noise.
PREDICION...
NOTRE DAME 77 MICHIGAN 0
In Notre Dame we trust.
IRISH MIKE
SORRY
Prediction was mispelled.
Irish Mike
Do you think that Charlie and company are so smart that they would come close in a game to win, or have the advantage in a game, or season? Did they play less talented players last year to get experience, and game time? Are they playing possum? I would say from what I saw the first 2 years and last year(expected losing season) there are huge diffrences. How many young other than expected players played? Untill it got to crunch time people who weren't on the 2 deep or 2nd on the 2 deep played. I beleive it is a ploy, and we come out strong this week and the rest of the season. GO IRISH, I love this team.
I have been an ND fan since 1960 and am native to South Bend. I actually went to school with the Rockne's!!!
So I am no hater of ND, let me emphasize that point.
I am not saying fire anyone, but I agree with Gator, ND football has gotten pathetic. I believe the SDSU game was a low point. It was a sad excuse for fooball and was as bad or worse that 2007.
I have to conclude that this team is devoid of talent. I am not going to name names, but I believe that these blue-chip recruits are just vastly overrated.
To me the offensive line cannot block anyone. 105 yards versus SDSU??? If you can't run the football you are not going to win many games. Throwing the ball 50 times per game is a formula for disaster, yet I believe that is what we will see.
It was nice for the BLOGGER to point out the silver lining amongst all the darkness. I wish I could find the happy drugs he is taking; I have no doubt it could work miracles for me.
I think fans better be ready for more bad news. Because this season may be as bad or worse than 2007.
Hey Prison Mike,
Your "separated at birth by Bo Schembechler" comment had me laughing. Not as much as I was when I found out you were writing under two names, but it was enough to make me love you baby. So if you ever need an actual person to comment under the name 92 gator just let me know.
P.S. Love the prediction, but the only way we're going to score 77 is if Mike Ditka, Hurricane Ditka, and baby Ditka come running through that tunnel. As crazy as that sounds, I believe it's going to happen baby. In the words of Kevin Garnet on crack rocks, "Anything's possible!!!"
Hey Irish Mike,
Sorry I called you a Moron.
Go Irish
They are making progress. Just have to be patient.
More positive plays in the first half, then all of the first four games last year.
Anon/9:00 PM & 6:50 PM:
...or should I say, to the "rocket scientist" who concluded that '92 Gator and "Irish Mike" are the same poster:
Re-read both of our posts; subtle hint: Jon Gruden.
Additionally, I've posted on this site many times in the past; most reacently, in the "We Hath Been Delivered" thread, dated Friday, September 05, 2008--I'm the last (16th) post there, time stamped 3:22PM (though I don't recall the date; probably Monday or Tuesday).
I always sign my posts '92 Gator--in order to "own" my words, and to be prepared to defend them, stand by them, and even eat them, if necessary--and as a form of disclosure; that is, this is where this perspective is coming from--a UF alumnus c/o 1992, and Gator fan.
As for Irish Mike--I went to bat for the guy because I thought be was being treated unfarily ("...you can't love Notre Dame...", and "...STFU..."), just for calling for some accountability. That's about the extent of it.
Next time try having a little more than "...they both use elipses" to support your conclusion.
'92 Gator
Jimmy Johnson as the ND head coach? That would work out well. Maybe he could have Bo Schembechler as his D-Coordinator, Steve Spurrier as his O-Coordinator, Bobby Bowden as his Assistant Head Coach, and Urban Meyer as his QB Coach. We ND fans love all of those guys and would gladly welcome them into the ND community. If we're lucky, maybe we can get the guy who tried to shoot Pope John Paul II out of prison to come be our Recruiting Coordinator.
On second thought, I don't think that will work very well. We should stick with big names like Dave Cowher, Greg Bilichik, Larry Holmgren, Kevin Reid, Toby Parcells, and Leroy Coughlin. Those guys give us a better chance to win, IMHO.
ILDomer17:
I'm not quite sure what you're meaning with your dichotomy of "excuse" vs. "reason" in terms of the youth movement, but I'm going to take a run at it (forgive me if I misunderstood).
I take your point to mean that some view ND's youth as the "reason" for their recent mediocrity (such as yourself), while others (like me) think CW et. al. are using it as an "excuse"--that we're not buying/
In that context (my understanding), here's my reply:
Youth accounts for players being a out of postion by inches; being out of step by fractions of a second; falling short in the fourth quarter; confusing the occasional play; mis-managing the clock at the end of the game or half; being outlasted by older more experiened teams...
Youth does not account for:
NOTRE DAME going 3-9;
NOTRE DAME being competitive with DUKE and SAN DIEGO STATE...while getting PUMMELED by any time ranked in the top 20;
...being ranked DEAD LAST in offense;
...leading the nation in sacks allowed...
...not being able to run the ball effectively against a high school football team...
I could go on, but that about sums it up. Youth can be a REASON for falling short in a variety of catergories...
...it is no excuse for SUCKING OUT LOUD in just about every category that matters.
I attribute that to coaching; it goes to the heart of coaching.
It's just my opinion...and I have a sneaking suspicion that come October, it won't be a minority opinion.
'92 Gator
I agree with Gator 92...I should because we are twins.
jk.
But seriously..I do agree with you man.
I'm tired of the excuses...and I love the Irish more than anyone.
I even had my last girlfriend dump me last year, becuause her best friend's wedding fell on the same day as the Michigan Game and she made me choose, her or the irish.
So if that's not commitment , what is?
I'm just saying, it's time we put some heat on CW.
He's a fat cat (in more ways than one) just gnawing on a bone.
And while I love this site and usually agree with Rock..I have to ask...what kool aid are you drinking man?
WE should've LOST to sdsu who LOST to cal poly, a div two team.
COME ON ROCK...stop drinking the kool aid.
I love your site and respect you...but you cant honestly sit here and tell us faithfult that SAT'S WIN was good.
It made me sick to my stomach. We got manhandled by a decimated team.
NO MORE EXCUSES.
I want a win...not just a win..A BLOW OUT BABY...A BLOW OUT.
Or I'm starting a drive to kick CW outta here.
I want results...and as an avid fan and alum...I wont settle for mediocrity...you may..but I will not.
btw...Thanks Gator for getting my back.
You rock.
best
IRISH MIKE
'92 Gator -
To be fair, coaching DOES have to improve. The staff needs to improve how they teach fundamentals before they can start implementing fancy schemes. '05 and '06 were good examples of teams that knew how to do the basics and were taken to the next level by CW and Co. Unfortunately, aside from a few diamonds in the rough like Quinn, the Shark, Zibby, and Laws, those teams were not nearly talented enough to beat teams in the top 15 and it showed.
The current problem is that the team is very talented but very raw. You simply CANNOT be a good team when all of your offensive skill positions are filled with freshmen. I don't care who you're playing, you're just not going to win many games in that situation and that's how you wind up with 9 losses.
Think about it this way: Take a smart 5th grader and an average 8th grader and drop them both in a HS Algrebra class. Who is going to be better equipped to succeed at that moment?
I've seen what CW can do with experienced players. I feel we need to give him and the staff more time to bring the players' personal development in line with their talent level.
"WE should've LOST to sdsu who LOST to cal poly, a div two team."
Irish Mike -
That's just a stupid comment. By that logic, App State would have beat Florida last year, and ND would have beat USC (who lost to Stanford). To use ESPN's favorite cliche, "that's why they play the games."
- ILDomer17 (2:22pm was mine, too)
ILDomer17:
Perhaps, but...give CW the 8th grader, give me the 5th grader, and 4-5 months later, the 5th grader gonna' kick the 8th grader's ass!
I jest, of course...
I suppose we can keep going round and round here, but there's no point, no need; no urgency.
I'll be pulling for Notre Dame this weekend. If they pull off the huge win, I'll be back here, take my lumps, and eat me some kentucky fried crow, and whatever else comes along with suggesting some accountability for someone else's coach...
...and if Notre Dame loses, I won't be gloating.
I was simply calling it like I see it--not trying to step on any toes.
Good luck this weekend--GO IRISH!!
'92 Gator
FIRE LATINA! The 05 and 06 Olines weren't that good either. It all starts up front.
this is Irish Mike...and I believe I vented enough...my apologies if I offended anyone...but it hurts to watch this team become ordinary...
May I ask the bloggers here a question?
and please, tell me if I'm wrong...but I feel as though the last meaningful win for this school was Florida State in 93.
That's how long it's been.
I mean think about it.
WE lost to SC and we were happy about it. Well maybe not happy, but I heart MORAL VICTORY many times on tv, radio and on blogs.
GENTLEMEN...IT'S TIME TO RAISE THE BAR.
RAISE IT HIGH..RAISE IT LOUD AND RAISE IT TO YE HEAVENS ABOVE.
Lets get pissed, lets get mad..lets get some payback.
I expect a full butt whipping against the maize and blue with the stupid helmets.
WHO'S WITH ME?
otherwise...it's time for CW to be on the hot seat.
I'm not saying fire him...perhaps I was too harsh...but put some heat man.
THIS IS NOTRE DAME...not some rinky dink.
Team W L T Pct.
1. Michigan 870 287 36
.7443
2. Notre Dame 825 278 42 .7388
3. Texas 822 316 33 .7161
4. Oklahoma 781 295 53 .7152
5. Ohio State 799 303 53 .7147
6. Penn State 791 306 41 .7131
7. Alabama 789 314 43 .7072
8. USC 755 302 54 .7039
9. Nebraska 810 333 40 .7016
10. Tennessee 770 321 53 .6962
we need to get some pride back....we didnt get to be no. 2 on that list by being patient..
IRISH MIKE
About time we woke up some echoes. Now be proud of ND no matter what happens.
The crazies came out for this article. To call for a coach's head because he gave up play calling duties (so he could have more of a say in all team matters), and to disrespect the team because of a rough first game is ridiculous.
Weis is a good coach. All you have to do is look at how boring and predictable and average the Irish were after Lou left, and then what they did the first 2 years Weis was there. Last year was the toughest I have ever had being a Notre Dame fan, but they could start turning things around this year. The Irish made 4 or 5 very crucial mistakes (unforced), that kept points off the scoreboard. If that didn't happen, nobody would have a bad thing to say about the play calling. It would be bad if SDSU forced the turnovers, but most (like the interception off Kamara), were Irish mistakes they most likely won't be repeated.
The young players are getting better, and we will find out Sat if the offensive line (the one definite thing Charlie can be criticized for) is too.
- www.southbendblarney.com
It's not crazies...it's passion...
with all due respect...
The true domers...just want that fire back in the bellies of the Irish..that's all.
Barely beating sdsu and than making excuses is just BS...in my opinion..
IRISH MIKE
Sunday, Sept 14
IRISH MIKE-
The kitchen just called. Your order of crow is ready!
Irish Mike:
"...not so fast, my friend..."
...as Lee Corso would say.
Catch me in next thread.
'92 Gator
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