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This doesn't factor in age of players by Catdog2

It's a well known fact that upperclassmen are "better" than underclassmen. Case and point: BYU with all their 26 year old players.

So while ND may not get the top top recruits, we get "good" recruits that stay all 4-5 years. For a program, that's almost better than getting "great" recruits that leave after 2 or 3. For example, Ian Book is no Trevor Lawrence. He is a relatively short 3 star QB, not a 6-5 athletic freak. But he has developed into a strong college QB. Same could be said about our our receiving corps - for example, Avery Davis is jacked now compared with how he came in 4/5 years ago.

In some ways, recruiting in the 8-10 range but keeping guys all 4-5 years is better. Now, technically we're not there yet (we're in the 10-15 range), but the point is still the same.