MLB Network Top 10 Right Now
by TheRC (2024-01-10 10:38:58)
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Just kicked off last night with starting pitchers but they have a side fan vote going on for Top 10 players not in the Hall of Fame.

I thought that would make an interesting discussion.

Criteria:
1) I'm going to exclude Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose. Clearly their play merited HoF but have been excluded for off-field reasons.
2) I'm excluding Bonds, Clemens, ARod and the other suspected steroid players as well.
3) Player must have already appeared on a HoF ballot (so no active or recently retired players please)

If you're game, submit your Top 10 overall and your starting lineup (8 pos + DH + RH starter + LH Starter + Reliever)

Dr. Frank Jobe should be on the list.
by Kayo  (2024-01-16 11:36:50)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

How many careers did his groundbreaking procedures save?
A Quick List of Candidates
by TheRC  (2024-01-10 12:15:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

RHP Curt Schilling
SS Bill Dahlen
2B Lou Whitaker
2B Bobby Grich
CF Kenny Lofton
RF Dwight Evans
RHP Kevin Brown
3B Buddy Bell
RHP Luis Tiant
2B Willie Randolph
RF/CF Reggie Smith
3B Ken Boyer
RHP David Cone
LHP Tommy John
3B Sal Bando
CF Willie Davis
CF Jim Edmonds
1B Keith Hernandez
3B Darrell Evans
LHP Mark Buehrle
RHp Bret Saberhagen
RHP Urban Shocker
1B John Olerud
CF Bobby Bonds
LHP Chuck Finley
RHP Tim Hudson
LHP Frank Tanana
1B Will Clark
3B Robin Ventura
1B/3B Dick Allen
RHP ORel Hershiser
CF Jim Wynn
2B Jeff Kent
CF Chet Lemon
C Bill Freehan
RP John Franco
RP Billy Wagner
RP Joe Nathan
RP Jonathan Papelbon
RP Jeff Reardon
RP Francisco Rodriguez
RP Dan Quisenberry
RP Sparky Lyle
RP TOm Henke
RP Gene Garber
Rp Troy Percival
RP Randy Myers
Rp Dave Righetti
RP Roy Face
RP Mike Marshall
RP Kent Tekulve
RP Ron Perranoski
My lists
by THeRC  (2024-01-10 11:11:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Top 10 Overall
01 2B Bobby Grich
02 RF Dwight Evans
03 3B Dick Allen
04 2B Lou Whitaker
05 CF Dale Murphy
06 RF Reggie Smith
07 C Bill Freehan
08 1B John Olerud
09 RP Dan Quisenberry
10 RP John Franco
11 CF Kenny Lofton

By Position
C Bill Freehan
1B John Olerud
2B Lou Whitaker
3B Darrell Evans (very tempted to put Robin Ventura here)
SS Bobby Grich (came up as SS in Orioles org but blocked by Belanger)
LF Reggie Smith (LF very weak for non-HoFers)
CF Dale Murphy
RF Dwight Evans
DH Dick Allen

RHP Luis Tiant
LHP Tommy John
RP Dan Quisenberry

If I can't move Grich to Shortstop then he's at 2nd and Bill Dahlen at Shortstop. I might move Dick Allen to 3B and make Lou Whitaker the DH.

can't argue against this list at all...solid choices all *
by kdh325  (2024-01-23 17:41:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

What is the case *against* Dale Murphy? *
by G.K.Chesterton  (2024-01-16 12:43:40)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I just compared his numbers to Andre Dawson
by 1978Irish  (2024-01-18 10:24:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

on Baseball Reference and it is hard to see why one is in and the other out. Dawson played about 400 more games and had the one monster year with the Cubs.

Dawson’s BA is about 15 points higher, but Murphy’s OBP is higher. Both won multiple GG and SS awards. Murphy had the back to back MVPs and Dawson had 1 with the Cubs.

Murphy missed 50 games in 2 seasons, but played all 162 4 straight years.

Their 162 game averages are very similar. Murphy averaged more HRs. Dawson a couple more doubles.

Dawson hit about 50 more home runs, but again played 400 more games.

That's a good question
by TheRC  (2024-01-17 11:40:58)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

He had an amazing peak but was something of a late bloomer and then injuries really took a toll and caused the last 5 years of his career to be not very good either.