From what I've seen of the Crossroads build out, it looks like the student center next to DeBartolo only has one court, and a bit of a janky running track.
With the removal of RSC form the average students' daily use, and thus the removal of 3 b-ball and one Hockey/Lax court, where will they be making up that space? Net of -2/-3 playing spaces for normal students. They gonna tear down Stepan or something?
the north dome. Don't know how many.
Is there a urinal in women's locker room bathroom? Very PC or is it a she-urinal? (Look it up). Has to install three before. Never used.
...to create the plan and didn't think about the actual fixtures.
I'm sure it will be corrected in a later stage of documentation.
is all of this contingent on raising the funds to build it?
I could nitpick a dozen things that I think are unnecessary for a basketball practice facility, but I'll point out a few. I've probably been in more of these facilities than all but a handful of posters here.
Remember, these are programs that have rosters of no more than 15 players. The women's team currently has 11 players. Each basketball staff is six people. Yet there are two film rooms each with 36 seats.
The coaches' lounges will go unused, especially since they're on a different floor. At 394 square feet, each head coach's office will effectively be a coaches' lounge, and that's where the coaches will congregate.
For some reason there are offices for three assistants and an associate head coach. Are we anticipating an NCAA rule change to allow basketball teams to have five coaches?
The University is taking a facility that was used by hundreds if not thousands of people per day and turning it into a facility that will be used by 50 people, and half of those fifty people have to go to classes. When both teams are on road trips, the building will be effectively empty. If the athletic department cries poor it might be because of all of the overhead expense that they're adding with these types of facilities.
What goes in where the current basketball staff offices are located? More athletics department administrators, most likely.
Yet the University put one basketball court in the Duncan Student Center and expects that adding a few courts in the JACC will work just as well for students as having an actual student recreation center that housed everything under one roof. We have rumors that the University is doing something to address the situation, but nothing concrete.
I think ND deserves a little overkill if it helps recruiting. I agree with ndroman21 (the inspiration of Crossroads) it needs to be reapportioned.
....probably there for them to use if they want to work out in the team facilities.
I don't disagree that there are things that could be revised. Maybe they will be.
But it has taken us umpteen years to get here (it's not yet built, of course), and I would rather see them lean towards overkill given that, based on past history, this will be the last bball upgrade for a long, long time.
At least until Security gets there.
It's just what they do. Except in terms of financial aid.
Other than football, of course. Perhaps there are 36 seats in each room to supplement other sports if/when needed?
but with the new student activity center replacing all of the cardio, weights, and fitness classroom space, the count of students using Rolfs was expected to dramatically decline.
Once it was decided to re-purpose Rolfs for something else, then the question becomes what is the best use of the space. I think this is likely it.
If the facility was being purpose built for a practice facility, it likely would be smaller. And some of the redundant space eliminated.
current student life.
Rolf's is used for intramural volleyball, badminton, and basketball so when Rolf's is crowded due to those events, the pickup basketball games typically migrate to Rockne (when it's open).
Rolf's is generally preferred by the students over Rockne for a few reasons: (1) Rockne still does not have air-conditioning (whereas Rolf's does); (2) Rockne hours of operation are erratic and rarely follow the published schedule; (3) the water in the water fountains at Rockne dispense dirty brown water (whereas the water at Rolf's is normal tap water and some filtered water); and finally (4) the weight-room at Rockne is much smaller and provides fewer options than the weight room at Rolf's. Granted, these are all things that could be improved quite easily by the Administration but I haven't seen any changes to The Rock during my time here.
intramural badminton. Would be nice to see them get more use out of the Rock.
I can't testify to point #3, but points #1, #2 and #4 haven't changed in the last 14 years.
Not to mention the pick-up basketball advantages of having multiple courts clustered together. When you have three in a row, you can show up at Rolfs at any time and expect to get a game. With a single court in the new student center, you run the risk of there always being a huge wait to play, which might actually result in less pick-up basketball being played by students.
in it than is customary in drinking water in the United States.
Fighting anemia one sip at a time.
basketball facility even when the game court is available?
and saw what appeared to be the end of a practice for the women's team in Purcell.
the northwest entrance to the north dome?
At other schools, that decision is largely up to the coach's preference. And most coaches that I know do like to practice on the game floor during the season.
arena as much as possible, and have your locker rooms and lounges adjacent to both the practice court and the game court.
is done in individualized drill and practice, not team practices.
This is where having a practice facility is so critical. Few schools can commit to having their arena available around the clock for individualized training, etc.
If Pflueger wants to shoot around at 6:00am, 1pm or 10pm, he'll always have a place where he can do it. Coaches can grab a ball and a player at just about any time and head to the court.
But the pillar and baseline issues with the Pit wouldn't have prevented this kind of workout activity from happening, so the practice facility isn't having as big of an impact on individual workout space as it is on full practice logistics and aesthetics.
The Pitt is used by more than just the men's basketball team. For example, the men's volleyball team practiced down there. I remember Troy Murphy practicing individually at Rlofs when I was at ND. That was obviously not ideal as other students were often taking up those courts as well. Having dedicated space is very important for both individual development and recruiting.
...but I'm still extremely happy that ND finally appears to be addressing this need.
How sweet it is.
I know of. It's more than 1 1/2 regulation courts per team.
Talk about gender equity - right down to the square footage and the urinal
I'm sure in many programs, the women are second fiddle. Not the same facilities or having to share the men's on a schedule determined by the men's.
I'm sure this will facilitate more interaction between the two teams which could have benefits, too (I'm talking basketball)
the same facilities for men and women.
If anything, they won't see as much of each other, because they will no longer share the same practice gym.
Also the two courts have doors connecting. I think there will be interaction because they can actually practice at the same time and I think they will "hangout" in this building more - certainly more than the JACC
Still, I'm thrilled for the players, current and future, and especially for Coach Brey and Coach McGraw that this finally is becoming a reality.
so hopefully it won't take too long or much money. It really doesn't need *too* much renovation and it sounds like they're constructing it similarly to how I envisioned. There's already a weight room where the future strength/conditioning area is slated to be. There's already some trophy cases where the Hall of Fame area is. Obviously there are the four courts. Only one is completely full-length but all they have to do is knock out the storage area and the other three will be. There's already a men's and women's locker room with showers on the lower level by the courts. There's already two big rooms upstairs (used for dance/fitness classes) that can be changed into those lounges.
Obviously it will take more than a new coat of paint to get this ready, but it should be much easier and more efficient than building a completely new building from scratch.
the time frame is 2018-19.
....for a long time?
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for the program. Kind of an ad hoc solution given the new construction that's taken place for football, hockey, performing arts, etc. isn't it?
For regular students as well.
Wood floors going in for new basketball courts. Annual campus-wide career fair even being moved to allow for the work to be done.
...for the basketball facility.
I know they use the north dome for large events, but I bet they would have saved money overall building conference space over renovating Rolfs, adding space in Crossroads, and adding courts in the JACC.
I'm happy for the baseketball programs. but I think losing Rolfs is a big negative for the general student population.
You know the parking lot where the AD and the various Associate and Assistant AD's park. There is as much base sq. ft. there as Rolfs. Oh and then it could be attached to the same building they play in and take advantage of some of the space there. I guess Sackless Jack didn't want to ask for money and square footage for his best performing programs nor did he want to give up his nice parking space and side-door exit.
This is as lazy and un-imaginative as damn near everything that has come out of Athletics/Campus Architecture since they built CFIA. The changes to turf for baseball and football have been a mixed addition at best, lax, soccer, rugby & track additions look like they were designed by Lego as does the Crossroads Football Tombstone. This is just another example of uninspired and lazy thinking done by an office that used to house true visionaries, alas those were my father's days at Notre Dame, maybe it won't be too late for it to change by the time my children would think about ND, but I'm not holding my breath.
You mentioned 2018-19 season at the end of the article. Is the plan to start after second semester ends this summer?
It would be nice if they could tell the current recruits that construction will start ASAP.
And that likely won't be until August/September, earliest.
An 18 month 65,000 sq ft build out/renovation is ambitious even if it started tomorrow. ND traditionally doesn't let a shovel hit dirt until the project is fully funded, right?
Most of the square footage is open court area which is already there. Hopefully a lot of the renovation can be done fairly quickly.
I've known the Rolfs (both families) all my life. Those two families have kicked in plenty. God bless the Rolfs families. That's all I'll say...
hoopsters. You gals deserve this just as much.
group that the elite women's team deserves better too.
mentioned the ladies also deserving the much needed upgrade. All is good.
Was this brochure part of a fundraising effort soliciting donations for the facility? I was wondering if there were any quotes/estimates for ultimate cost/donations for the re-purposing of the practice facility.
They aren't really brochures as they aren't mass produced. These go to specifically targeted individuals with the ability to give lots of money. They are likely screened for an interest in basketball.
Given that they are keeping the Rolf's name, they are likely looking for donors to pay for portion s of the renovation. Perhaps we can pass the hat and have an NDnation.com bathroom stall.
That one in the women's locker room is crucial.
First thing I noticed too.
Along with a storage room with no door.
I had never heard of an ask book before. Learn something new every day. Thanks.
It's time for the men's program to realize it's manifest destiny that it has flirted with in the 70's w/ Digger and very recently with Coach Brey.