this class. Things aren't going well, so Brey is forced to make an adjustment.
In a particular recruiting year who are you likely to recruit or get passed
Can you take a project? Can you take a kid like Cooley coming out of HS
who may be able to contribute in his junior and senior year?
Sherman and Knight are finished after this year. Will Katenda ever be able
to overcome his situation(s)? Auguste is a given. Burgett may or may not
be a good CBB player. It may be a good decision to take two transfer big men.
Would a recruit like Geben ever be an ACC contributor? I have an opinion
on that. It could really be a wasted scholarship.
My personal opinion is that Austin Torres will never be in the mix. When
I saw his film I saw a Division II player who played in a relatively weak
HS league who could jump. I saw extremely poor foot work and little or no
ND has had some excellent contributions from transfers. They are more of
a known commodity as well as being older and experienced.
If you can't get a solid big kid or kids this year, the 2015 is a much better class for big men.
Kyle Wiltijer, a transfer possibility from Kentucky , would have IMO been
a great fit for ND, size wise and experience wise. ND was already at its
scholarship limit. My first thought was that Brey paid a high price in
some ways to get DJ
No concern that Notre Dame doesn't have a commitment from a prospect who will be a senior in the fall. And here's why: Notre Dame has three scholarships — at the least — to offer high school seniors. The Irish will lose Eric Atkins, Tom Knight and Garrick Sherman. Two bigs and a guard.
Given that Mike Brey aims every year to stay old, I think he'd prefer to sign at least one high school senior (Devin Robinson? Martin Geben?) and take two transfer big men. That addresses the Irish need for size as well as keeps the program old.
Also keep in mind that eight of the 13 scholarship players will be freshmen or sophomores this season. There's talent in the underclassmen, and there also are questions. Most pressing right now is to figure out if Eric Katenda can overcome his health issues and contribute, and determine if Austin Burgett can be a true stretch-4 guy like Rob Kurz or Scott Martin. If both can play, that changes the seemingly immediate need to sign a prep player or two.
If both can't, then the lack of a commitment may catch up to the coaching staff. But there's so much unknown right now. Let's see how it all plays out.
If Brey was doing well in recruiting, he would take a couple of top 75 or better kids. He's not, hence the transfer route.
Dismayed at his inability to recruit consistently from the
Top 75. Hopefully that is the end of the psychedelic
Blues Magoos uniforms.....
Overall, he has never recruited well with the high school kids. The question is, how much of this is Brey's fault, and how much is it the administration's fault?
I used to think it was something like 80-20 the administration, but after the Iowa St debacle in the NCAA's, and Brey's insane decision to return his entire staff, I now think its roughly 50-50. Put me in the camp that thinks that unless Brey with DJ does some real good things in the NCAA over the next 2-3 years, it will be time to move on to another coach.
and that causes major holes in the balance of the team. He had back to back good recruiting years for the first time the past two years, but if he follows that up with only one player we are back to square one because that will come back to haunt us.
We need to be getting 3 players every year and they need to complement the prior two classes each time. Not rocket science, but something he has failed to execute at ND.
You'd be surprised at how few college games recruits watch, but they do watch Sportscenter to get the Cliff's Notes version. They are a lot more likely to remember the five overtime game vs. Louisville than they are to remember one of the 16 games featured on Sportscenter that day, especially a game that didn't merit a lot of air time compared to some of the day's really good games.
'CROOTS LOVE 'EM!
Of course it's a lot easier to assume things aren't going well but whatever.
prefer transfers to highly rated prospects? But yeah, Brey has found a new route to the pot of gold.
It's been a good while since ND recruited Francis, a highly rated big man.
I'm focusing on big kids because they are a precious commodity in CBB and
because ND is losing Sherman and Knight.
Ryan Humphrey had a pretty good ND career IIRC.
I'm not considering LH who was an exceptional situation IMO.
The academic requirements and demographic makeup of ND remain as an
impediment in getting highly rated BB recruits.
to go the transfer route because he prefers that route to taking in a couple of top 75 or better prospects. He's going this route because he has to. In other words, its a sign of weakness for the program, not strength.
Personally, I think any chance Brey had to score well in recruiting this fall died when ND shit the bed in the NCAA Tournament last March.
transfer route. This is clearly not Brey's preference.
Don't take a 6'9" recruit who might only look good in an airport.
DJ is a 5 star player but, I grant the fact that he was local kid
makes it an exceptional situation. Beachem and Vasturia will help ND win
a lot of games in their careers.
Big kids are another story, I have to laugh at AAU games with the name recruits and their entourages. Many of the top big kids, say Top 100/125
Recruiting men's BB players at ND is a difficult task.
Brey understands his recruiting situation better than any of us. His
options are rather limited in the CBB recruiting universe.
is that Noie said I'D THINK HE LIKE TO TAKE....
He never said that came from Brey and he also said that Brey would like to sign at LEAST ONE HS SENIOR and NOT JUST ONE.
Brey has said he is not worried now about ND and 2014 verbals and is optimistic about the fall visits with these recruits.
Let's say Brey signs 2-2014 kids, which I believe he will. In the spring he will still have at least 1 SS, likely 2 (Grant), and maybe 3 (Katenda). When do transfers become available- yes in the spring.
In 2014-15 big man options will be Zach, Burgett, Katanda, and Torres or in other words, Zach and 3 question marks, with Torres at best being a contributor by his 3rd season. He has some PT to sell and he is not stuck on the "4 spot" being played on 6'8 to 6'9 player. He is open to a 6'6 to 6'7 athlete such as Robinson or Travis or Colson.
When Noie notes big man transfers, he seems to forget they would not be able to play unitl 15-16 which does ND no good for 14-15. Obviously the 5th year grad/transfer rule is the exception where they can help and when do these players look for a new home- yes the spring.
I have no idea how good Geben is. From what I have read, he could be another Rob Kurz. I know some other good programs are interested in him. As far as Wiltjer, IMO he is the 6'9 version of Colin Falls- which is to say he is for the most part a very one dimensional player. Could he have guarded 4's in th BE, probably. In the ACC, that could be a problem.
[Comment From Dave (Washington, DC)Dave (Washington, DC): ]
Great having the chat back, Tom. Any concerns that there isn't a verbal commit in the 2014 class yet? I remember having at least two in last year's class at this point in the summer.
Thursday July 18, 2013 12:09 Dave (Washington, DC)
No concern whatsoever that Notre Dame doesn't have a commitment from a prospect who will be a senior in the fall. And here's why:
Notre Dame has three scholarships - at the least - to offer high school seniors. The Irish will lose Eric Atkins, Tom Knight and Garrick Sherman. Two bigs and a guard.
Given that Mike Brey aims every year to stay old, I think he'd prefer to sign at least one high school senior (Devin Robinson? Martin Geben?) and take not one, but two transfer big men. That addresses the Irish need for size as well as keeps the program old.
Also keep in mind that eight of the 13 scholarship players will be freshmen or sophomores this season. There's talent in the underclassmen, and there's also questions.
Most pressing right now is to figure out if Eric Katenda can overcome his health issues and contribute and determine if Austin Burgett can be a true stretch-4 guy like Rob Kurz or Scott Martin. If both can play, that changes the seemingly immediate need to sign a prep player or two.
If both can't, then the lack of a commitment make catch up to the coaching staff. But there's so much unknown right now.
Let's see how it all plays out.
As usual fb is spot on. The fate that has befallen high school basketball with the AAU coaches and all the potential corruption many of them bring to the game is one of the more recent tragedies in high school and college sports. Basketball recruiting at ND, even though its loosened up somewhat, makes the same task for football look like a walk in the park.
ass kicking, but he chose otherwise. A very curious decision in my opinion.