Four years from now, Mike Brey will have been at ND for 17 years and will be approaching 60 years old, so he might be looking to retire. If we're holding our own in the ACC, we'll certainly be an attractive job, perhaps the most attractive in the state relatively speaking.
In the meantime, Stevens will have sampled NBA life. If he doesn't find it to his liking, he'll be looking to go back to the college ranks, perhaps back to his home state. At 40 years old, he'll still have a good 20 years of coaching ahead of him.
if he were going to come back to CBB. It sure looks like IU will take a step back this season. With IU back as a year in year out national program with expectations, will Crean be able to win enough in the next 3-4 seasons to keep everyone happy?
I think of Pitino: UK/Celtics/Ville and compare that to Stevens: Butler/Celtics/IU?
With that said, your point is well taken on ND/Brey.
With that being said, would Brad Stevens want to go from one pressure cooker to another?
The plain fact is that basketball is not as highly regarded in South Bend as it is in Bloomington. Brad Stevens could produce a Final Four run every 4-5 years and be hailed as a legend at Notre Dame whereas it would be expected out of him at Indiana.
If Crean does well the next season or two, I imagine he'd be at IU as long as he wants to be there. Assuming he has no NBA aspirations, I can't see him taking another college-level job.
If Crean doesn't do well, given some of the grumblings about his attitude on campus, I see him out of there sooner rather than later. Would Stevens want to come back that soon, particularly given how much $$ he'll make coupled with at least a couple years of lowered expectations?
I've heard he does have pro job aspirations after hearing about his brothers-in-law. If some NBA team came after him, he would jump in my opinion. There were some things out of Bloomington this spring speaking to this.
IMO he is at a much higher level with it than BIL Jim.
The Celtics put a lot of emphasis on analytics when making their decisions. Stevens is probably the coach most comfortable incorporating these factors into his gameplans. I believe statistical wunderkind Drew Cannon is following him to Boston.
With a 6-year contract and lowered expectations due to the roster, Stevens isn't under any pressure to win right away. Actually, it would probably be better if they were bad next season for the draft pick.
Instead of hiring another NBA retread, the Celtics are taking a risk. But this team isn't winning a title soon anyways, so it's not like he'd be hurting the chances of contending. The upside of Stevens dwarfs that of any other realistic candidates.
The list of great college coaches that failed in the NBA
is very long.
sense I suppose though Rick had some pro experience as a Knicks assistant for 3 years.
One of the best basketball minds in the business. You can't win in the NBA without players, but it helps to have a great coach (Popovich, Vogel, Thibodeau etc.). He's no John Calipari, that's for sure.
You need one and possibly two superstars no matter what.
I think Stevens is a terrific college coach, but I have no idea how he'll handle NBA egos. I can think of several excellent college coaches who failed in the NBA but almost none who have been successful.
Successful - Dick Motta (1968), Larry Brown (but he had 4 years in the ABA and 3 in the NBA before his first college gig), and Rick Pitino in New York (2 years before taking the Kentucky job).
Unsuccessful - Rick Pitino in Boston, John Calipari, Mike Montgomery, Leonard Hamilton, Lon Kruger, Kevin O'Neill, and I'm sure several others.
The unsuccessful coaches I listed all came back to college and got good jobs, so no risk; but history doesn't suggest success in the NBA for Stevens. Good for him if he beats the odds.
My initial reaction was that CBB to NBA transitions were roughly as (un)successful as CFB to NFL transitions.* You objectively confirmed that reaction.
I'd add Lon Kruger (fired by Hawks) to the Unsuccessful side of your ledger.
*I wish that a certain CFB HC had dispassionately viewed those odds well prior to 1/8/07.
Chuck Daly, although he logged time as an Sixers assistant (1978-81) between his college and pro head coaching jobs, and Jack Ramsay back in 1968.
Of course, those were different times in the NBA. I can't think of anyone who has made the move successfully in the last 15-20 years.
that had a record above .500 in NBA. No success in playoffs, and a little run in with Spreewell.
If he flops, he still gets a ton of money and would have his pick of any available high major job in college basketball.
And if it's an open job the program he takes over might be floundering.
If he stayed at Butler and kept being top 15 successful he could have had a job that opened up due to retirement or someone else jumping up to the NBA at say...Syracuse, Duke, Kentucky, Indiana...
Still, pretty low-risk for him and he's taking over a much higher quality NBA job than he probably deserves.
Now, he'll be able to tell kids he has coached the best players in the world at one of the most storied franchises in sport and how he has personal knowledge of what it takes to get kids to succeed in the NBA. It will be a help to his recruiting pitch, something that has lagged at Butler. Butler wouldn't be a realistic top 15 team in the next several seasons. The roster is pretty bare with a glaring spot at PG.
He's only 36, it really is no-lose for him. And the 6-year contract is a nice safety net.
For that matter, ask Lou Holtz.
I think it is a bit risky for his NBA coaching future. He is taking over a rebuilding project with zero NBA experience. If he fails, he may not have another shot in the NBA. It would be more advantageous to take over a team with more stability than the Celtics currently have if he wanted low risk as far as his NBA future is concerned. They are experiencing quite a bit of roster turnover right now.
(1) He's received assurances from Ainge that he will get a full shot; and (2) he is supremely confident in his own abilities. (3), it's the Boston Celtics. Not exactly the New Orleans Pelicans.
I feel for Graves. Wonder if Butler will try to get him back. He left when Stevens made it clear he wasn't taking another college job at this time.
Yikes. Within 4ish years, I expect him back in college basketball.
He was next up and is very tight with Brad.
Tough situation for him.
Maybe they will contact Crean.
Brandon Miller (OSU asst. head coach with Matta) and LaVall Jordan (asst. at Michigan) are top two choices.
I read elsewhere that Graves would not leave his job.
I'm working with a Butler PA student and softball player. Apparently, Stevens told Collier and the players at 5PM yesterday and pretty much blindsided everyone in the athletic office.
I have to say that I'm a bit dumbstruck by the suddenness of this move, especially with a move to the NBA. Stevens had deep roots in the Indy area and seemed to be ready to spend a few more years at Butler before moving to a high major program.
I really think Butler is looking at being no better than about 6-7th in that new conference for the next couple seasons. The roster is, uh, bare. Extreme example, look at the PG situation.
Stevens is a helluva bench coach, one of the best in college basketball at game-planning on relatively short notice and controlling his team/the game from the bench. But recruiting to Butler was a huge negative. As much of an allure as BS is, competitive disadvantage was large. Not offering kids until June 15th as they enter their Junior year is problematic for small school Butler.
I think Collier was well aware of the recruiting issues and that is why I suspect you will see Jordan get the job if it can be worked out. Miller is a little too green for my liking but we will see. Collier did state they may have a new coach by end of day tomorrow. I suspect he knew as soon as BS knew. I think it did kind of come out of nowhere. Keep in mind, BS didn't even meet with the Celtics in person until Wednesday morning in Indy.
Timing was everything...for Graves too.
For Butler, a return to the quiet existence of an ordinary mid-major is likely.
Is the new Big East major or mid-major?
. . . but the name will devolve into a museum piece.
The past is gone.
IMO, the money conferences and television have won the day.
There are not enough UConn, Georgetown, SJU, or Villanova grads to change the outcome. While the Big East will never become a CYO league, I do not believe it will be able to sustain recruiting at a high enough level to consistently contend for NCs.
If UConn can find an exit ramp laced with cash, I suspect those folks will follow the money soon enough.
Football Rules All! Still, I think the new Big East Conference can consistently gain four to five NCAA bids per year over the next decade, (or at least until realignment rears it's ugly head again.) Not bad for a ten team league. Georgetown, Marquette, and Villanova have the best pedigrees. Creighton and Xavier are also solid programs. St. John's and Providence will be better. After today's announcement regarding Butler, I do not know what to make of them long term. The Out-of-Conference scheduling becomes especially important for this collection of programs; (no more Syr., Pitt, L'ville, ND, UConn, etc. to lift the SOS.) The new Fox Sports TV network deal will help the conference (and may prove to be a welcome respite from the WWL.)