As we know from Muffet, she recruits only certain types of players and I don't mean only from an academic standpoint. I think she was on to that concept way before Kelly arrived. But Kelly also does it.
Both basketball coaches work hard to manage the mix of personalities on their teams, Muffet especially since the Marciniak debacle and Brey especially since the year of Latimore/Thomas.
Even so, it isn't all love and harmony on the teams. The women weren't an especially harmonious group in 2009-10 and it showed on the court - a 4th place tie in the Big East and a loss to Oklahoma in the round of 16 (only had to beat Vermont and Cleveland State to get that far). For that program, it was not a good year.
Now known as World Be Free, or something like that.
Somehow we arose from the dead after Martin was hurt. How did we do that without some good leadership to replace Martin? How did that leadership disappear so completely against ISU when the stakes were so high. I still do not get it.
Is Brey playing psychology by making that comment about Grant? Actually, I was expecting the leadership to come from Atkins and Cooley. Maybe Brey is singling out Grant because he is probably the best athlete with the most upside. This might be Brey' s attempt to motivate Grant over the off season.
Brey has said in the past that Grant wants/thinks that he should be the guy with the ball in his hands when the game is on the line. I think this is his challenge to Grant. Show me that you can lead this team over the summer and into the fall, and you can have it. Perhaps the biggest part of his leadership will be marked improvement in taking care of the ball. He's not particularly sloppy, but he is reckless. He has shown the ability to be a tremendous passer. However, there are too many times when he has predetermined the outcome. He either forces a shot or throws it away when he tries to bail out. Having the leadership to trust his teammates will go a long way to making him the player that he's capable of being.
I have the feeling that the presence of DJ will help push him to that level. Wishful thinking for sure.
I did not know that his assist production would be that substantial.
We have said it before here. Being the man with the ball in his hands is something that Grant has the ability to do but he historically has been an unselfish player. He was known for that when he committed. It almost seems that Brey has to find the buttons to push to transform him into a successful selfish player. Maybe that isn't who Grant is.
dump any assistant....bring back Gene Cross too
2013-14 NBA minimum salary for a guy who has logged a year in the league - $816,482. There is no doubt in my mind that Hansbrough will pass on that earning opportunity (more if he can negotiate it) to be a first time college assistant, a job with a median salary of $85,534 across college basketball and an average salary of $134,215 in the ACC.
Dump any assistant to hire Ben Hansbrough? Including Anthony Solomon?
Lighten up Francis
He's looking for work, right?
Not that familiar with the minimum salary qualifications, so just asking.
Seems like a lot of money to pay someone that you think so little of that he only played in 28 games this past year. Not much value for your money if you're the Pacers.
Unless a team thinks he will be a contributor, the more likely choice is to fill the last roster spot with a first year guy because the rookie minimum is a little more than half of the second year minimum. Cap room will prevail. However, he will make a roster if a team thinks he can be the fifth guard in its rotation instead of the sixth (who doesn't play in more than than he does play).
If he doesn't make a team next fall, he will choose between making s six figure salary in Europe and the NBDL, 10-day contracts, and hoping to fill a roster spot that opens due to injury. At this point in his life, I wouldn't guess that he considers coaching to be an option for next season.
Aside from Hansbrough's playing aspirations, why would anyone think hiring a guy with zero coaching experience is the way to upgrade the coaching staff. This staff needs another proven recruiter. This staff needs an assistant who has proven he can teach defense. It doesn't need a guy whose qualification is that he yelled at his teammates a lot.
I would be shocked if Ben would ever leave playing for coaching anytime in the near future. As a teammate of his at ND once told me, "all Ben lives for is playing basketball". He hated Germany, but would probably play anywhere if he got on the court for steady minutes,if the NBA is out of the question. He'd have to learn to temper his personality just abit if he ever does go into coaching. But there wouldn't be a guy coaching anywhere with more of a desire to win and a work ethic that would be second to none. I just don't see it happening anytime soon. Martin is the prime coaching candidate, but if he is physically able, he too will pursue a pro career somewhere.
if he was the head coach. I think he would be the guy who can't understand why all 12 of his players aren't as maniacally obsessed with bb as he is. In fact, none of his players would be as obsessed as Coach Ben.
...but I'm not sure Hansbrough will be ready to give up playing soon.
Some are born leaders, but some aren't. Look at how Kelly and his staff developed Te'o over the past couple of years, compelled him to become more vocal and demand more out of his teammates and not simply himself.
I like Mike Brey and very much want to see the program take the next step under his guidance, but it's always something with him. There's always some excuse for why his teams fail to come up big when it counts the most. He's earned a certain amount of leash based on his track record and some of the hoops he's jumped through along the way, but "'til death do us part" is no longer part of the lexicon in this business.
Kelly might have encouraged Teo to be more vocal, but Teo strikes me as a guy who always had a burning desire to be great, which is the most critical trait to being a leader.
I don't believe you can easily develop burning desire in a player. That's a character trait that has to be recruited. What can be done is take kids who have a desire to be great and help them step up and be more vocal.
I don't see a lot of guys on the team that have that fire in their belly. We have to recruit more guys who have those traits.
He just had 1 that underachieved, esp. after Martin became a non-factor after 2 BE games. While '11 followed his March paradigm of last 7 years, '12 team likely would've gone to OT v. visibly underseeded XU team had it not been for an atrocious "lane violation" call.
W/ exception of last 26 mins v. UL, @ Pitt, and MU in BET, it was a forgettable season. I can live w/ it given prior 2 seasons and given handicaps under which program operates. I'm tired of March Sadness, but it's nothing new for us w/ 4 decades following this program.
Onus is on him next 2-3 years. Either he'll make a March run w/ DJ, or he won't. If not, it's time to start exploring other options.
after all his flameouts in the NCAA Tournaments. Something needs to be shaken up, yet Brey seems content to maintain the status quo.
I like to beat this drum but need to make it a better job first or we'll just shake things up and find ourselves in the same place or worse.
And as alluded to elsewhere, I believe that accusations about Brey's mild demeanor and its impact on the team have been exaggerated. But I agree with you 100% about the staff, and it's silly to think that ND's refusal to pay top dollar for assistants somehow precludes him from making worthwhile personnel changes. His hands aren't exactly tied.
...from the current roster. This is just my opinion, but it's based on his day-in day-out effort. His results weren't always excellent, but his hustle and toughness were never lacking. He was usually assigned to guard opponents' leading scorers; and he did a good job of it, often against bigger guys and/or better athletes. He was strong on the boards, and he didn't hesitate to plant an elbow to an opponent's gut when it was deserved.
I can't believe Pat was impressed with less effort from teammates, and I suspect that soft play in the lane bugged him when he saw it. He will be a junior next season. He might not have a lot of influence on the seniors, but he will have an opportunity to be a major influence on the freshmen and sophomores. Guys who are willing to stand on the mound and challenge hitters typically are not shrinking violets. I hope he asserts himself. I hope he demands from his teammates what he demands of himself.
I envision him being a lot like Rob Kurz... Vocal when necessary but not vocal like Tory Jackson was. Kurz would say something once. Then, if it was practice, he'd knock a slacker on his ass.
Someone has to step up and push the group. Pat and/or Atkins are probably the best candidates. Pat certainly played hard every night that I watched him. I think its obvious that there needs a committment by everyone to getting stronger and, for the big guys tougher. By the end of the year Grant looked like he was on a starvation diet. I see Jackson playing, but I doubt he's going to walk on the court and all the veterans look at him as their leader.. I said so many times over the past two years, Scott Martin's value was much more than a stat line after a game. But its hard to lead in a suit on the bench. He mentioned that fact lte in the year. The team did well to win as many as it did after his injury. But Cooley go tired or sick, or got senoritis and the other guys played about as badly as they could in the NCAA's. Next year could be vey interesting, new league and attractive home conference schedule. But there needs to be a better attitute and more attention to detail every night for this group to achieve the success they should.
We look one man short of having a top 20 team. Auguste w/be key
down low and I really don't know if Katenda can play. Knight
and Sherman probably can't play together in a sleeker faster
ACC. Maybe Connaughton can pull down 5 rebounds a game with
his jumping ability and perhaps Burgett can contribute as well.
in the off-season appears to be to maintain the status quo.
Last season's team was the first one in a long time that was hard to keep focused.
I posted about lack of leadership several times throughout the season. I posted after the trip to Brooklyn that I didn't like the makeup of this team. I was talking about leadership as well as skill set.
It's always better if coaches can work through leaders on the team to get their messages to sink in, and it's damned near impossible to get the messages to sink in when there isn't anyone to show his teammates the way.
There are/were no bad actors among the upperclassmen, but their effort and work ethic were inconsistent. Cooley got benched during games at least twice. When was the last time that was necessary for any starter, let alone the best player on the team. If there had been any depth at guard, I guarantee we would have seen it happen with a starter or two at those spots too.
The same team that had to be babied to build confidence in 2011-12 had to be browbeaten day after day in 2012-13. They'd suck at getting position for rebounding; so Brey got on their asses about it, they'd spend entire practices on rebounding, and it would get better. Then they'd be careless against pressure defense, Brey would get after them about executing what they'd been taught, they'd spend entire practices working against pressure D, and that aspect of their game would improve. Then they'd have a problem with help defense. Same process to improve it. Then they'd forget about everything they practiced about rebounding position, so they'd have to revisit that topic. These guys weren't driven enough to keep working on the old bad habits while they were addressing new bad habits, and I could tell it was driving Brey crazy based on comments he's drop into press conferences.
I have not seen a team like this since Thomas and Latimore were seniors. Brey made some changes after that, most notably in his approach to motivating players. He's a nice guy in real life, but he's an SOB in practice.
If he wanted to, he could have used PC at off guard and benched Atkins or Grant. Brey's MO has been consistent since he arrived. He has a long leash with his starters and a short one with his bench. My sense is Cooley's benchings were a result of both his play as well as some of his physical and conditioning challenges he faced during the season. Hard to prove the hypothetical game, but IMO if he didn't run into the flu (or whatever it was that he had), I am not sure he would have ridden the pine as much as he did.
FWIW, I am not optimist as some others here are that Brey's style will change because recruiting has improved. Until I see changes, I expect a solid season and miserable post season.
...that a coach should be able to tell 100% which guys will be leaders as college juniors and seniors when he recruits them as high school players? That's silly.
Hall of fame coaches have the occasional team that lacks leadership - Pitino's 2009-10 team with the maddening Edgar Sosa, Samadro Samuels, Jerry Smith, et al that lost 13 games and exited the tournament in the first round for example. Boeheim had consecutive NIT squads in 2006-07 and 2007-08 with talented senior "leaders" like Darryl Watkins and Demetris Nicholls, leading talented underclassmen like Onuaku, Devendorf, and Harris. Boeheim paid a lot for those guys and got zip for leadership. Other good coaches like Jay Wright and Jamie Dixon have had rudderless teams in recent years. Even Calipari, who specializes in working without upper class leaders, never quite got through to his team this past season including before Noel was injured.
I have issues with this staff, but its track record keeping the team motivated isn't one of them.
Folks have talked about the challenges ND faces and its inability to land elite recruits. Atkins and Grant were supposed to be part of the solution. Now, their lack of leadership is part of the problem. It's become quite frustrating. Others are saying: Maybe, Brey is what he is: a good regular season coach who doesn't know how to manage a team for post season success.
Excuses are conjured after the fact. This isn't anything new as far as I'm concerned. I've posted about it since the beginning of the season (even wrote an article about the difficulty of coaching this team in February); and the lack of leadership was clearly visible to anyone who paid attention to the St. John's and providence losses. Cooley was benched in both of those games. Brey commented after those games and in several other press conferences about challenging the team's toughness ("manhood" is the word he used).
Rather than an excuse, it's a tribute to wringing a 25 wins overall, 11 conference wins, and 2 BET victories out of this team.
... for leadership." A fair assessment, I'd say.
I think everyone here would benefit from seeing a non-public Mike Brey practice. I was slightly taken aback (granted, it was a bad and frustrating year in '06) but anyone that thinks he is soft with his guys because of his in-game demeanor/press conference quotables has not seen one.