As of 2014-15, they'll be in the Big Ten and Louisville will be in the ACC.
In a normal year, the likes of SHU, DP, USF, and PC were expected wins, as was home v. RU. While SOME teams will, inevitably finish @ bottom of ACC, it's a lot harder to look at this schedule and pencil in 4-5 wins.
Put another way, ACC was tough conference before latest round of expansion, and it's adding Syr, Pitt, and ND this year. All 3 of those teams earned top-half bids. Next year, this year's NC's replace a middle of the pack ACC program.
This conference will be a ball-buster come 2014-15.
Brey needs to recruit consistently in top 20 just to make
NCAA tournament.....early recruiting returns for new cycle
don't look favorable.....
The Big East has been the best basketball conference for several years. I don't understand the thought that we are somehow moving up in difficulty by going to the ACC. It will be a very good conference, but the Big East has also been a very good conference. We should continue to be a consistent tournament team.
2 Tier 1 programs and 2 Tier 2 programs are joining. No tier 3 programs (forget about Tier 4) are moving.
I'm not aware of any conference that has ever had 4 Tier 1 programs before. GU was no longer really a Tier 1 program by time UL joined BE. Having 3 (Syr, UConn, UL) was a noteworthy event, and I'm having a hard time thinking of another one that ever had 3.
Syr was, for better or for worse, generally the BE's best program over 3+ decades. In 1 year, it will be no better than tied for 3d in the ACC. ND had several top 4 BE finishes in recent years. A top 4 finish in the ACC will normally require a visibly off year by one of the top 4.
Interestingly, though, they were never really dominant over any extended period. The 80s was Georgetown, and 2000s was UConn, and the 90s was the wide open period of the BE when everyone took turns being the top program. Syracuse was the constant through all this, but arguably there was never a time when they were the dominant program in the BE. I really wonder what happens to them once Boeheim leaves.
smaller campus gyms than at the NBA sites. Still, Brey ought to finish above Virginia 3 of 4 years.
Connecticut 20-10 #5 Duke 27-5
#17 Georgetown 25-6 North Carolina 24-10
#11 Marquette 23-8 #10 Miami (FL) 27-6
Villanova 20-13 No Carolina St 24-10
Cincinnati 22-11 Virginia 21-11
Providence 17-14 Florida State 18-15
St. John's 16-15 Boston College 16-17
Rutgers 15-16 Georgia Tech 16-15
Seton Hall 15-18 Wake Forest 13-18
South Florida 12-19 Clemson 13-18
DePaul 11-21 Virginia Tech 13-19
than it was in the Big East. DePaul, Seton Hall, St. John's all brought the level of play way down in the Big East, sometimes in the same year. Add Providence to that list too.
By Pomeroy, the worst ACC team (Virginia Tech) was worse than the worst Big East team (DePaul).
I think all you can say is that there is less of a consistent underclass in the ACC than there is in the Big East. The bad teams will still be similarly bad, but their identity won't be as consistent from season to season.
I hope we have at least a couple of interesting OOC games.
ND vs OSU in NYC.
ND vs Indiana in Indy.
Might see one "name" home game in addition. I'm assuming with two Big Ten teams already on the schedule, I imagine ND is one of the schools sitting out of the ACC/Big Ten challenge?
I thought Mike Brey said they would be part of it this year.
VPI, Clemson and Wake are supposed to sit the 2013-14 series out. It was announced at the beginning of the season that the ACC would use the final 2012-13 RPI to determine who sat out when SU and Pitt officially joined. SU and Pitt obviously had higher RPIs than VPI and Clemson. Once ND got its release, that forced out Wake who tied GT for 10th but had a lower RPI. Determining 2014-15's sit-out team gets a tad complicated because the conference limits how many years in a row you sit out (I'm not sure how many). If Louisville doesn't have a higher RPI than the last place team it will be a story for the ages.
Only one ACC team will sit out that year, as the B1G will add two to its fold.
You may be right in that there may be a limit as to the number of consecutive seasons one program can sit out, but I don't see it being less than two years in a row.
I meant to say that the B1G goes to 14 then, so only 1 team has to sit out. I thought, but wasn't 100% sure, that the rule is "You can sit out twice but not 3 times." That would make a heckUVa lot more sense than only sitting out once.
I was speculating since two Big Ten teams are already on the OOC schedule and three ACC schools must sit out the challenge this coming year. Playing three Big Ten teams seems too much for my liking. (And I enjoy watching quite a bit of Big Ten basketball) I'd prefer different conferences with more distinct style differences as it helps to prepare one for the NCAA tourney.
If ND is in, they will probably be at home vs someone like Wisconsin or Iowa (Fran).
when ND played as many or more Big Ten teams in basketball as it did in football. Of course, that's when we were still an independent in basketball. But as recently as 1972-73, we played 5 Big Ten teams -- IU, Illinois (at Chicago Stadium), MSU, Michigan and Ohio State. Digger eventually got away from that pattern, and by the late 1970s we rarely played any Big Ten teams other than Indiana, with Northwestern popping up every now and then. I doubt we've played as many as 3 Big Ten teams in any regular season since the mid-1970s.
They are fun team to watch. Even though, there may not be a more ethically-challenged head coach.
Would be smart to have a good home game too. I think one really good OOC home game along with several more mid-major types like Santa Clara vs the #300 level dreads plus UNC, Duke and NC State (fun styles to watch with premiere names) would lure quite a few out of hiding and into at least considering making an investment. Think the Big East got stale for a lot of people the last few years for whatever reason. Not sure if it was style of play which many nights can be sort of boring to go see for the more casual fan or too much of the Seton Hall, USF, Rutgers and crappy DePaul teams combined with sub-par OOC home schedules. Maybe a combination.
I think ND has been gifted a huge opportunity with getting UNC, Duke and NC State all in SB in year one.
In today's chat Noie said he's hearing about a possible Baylor game.
He also thinks the 3rd B1G game will be in SB since the other 2 aren't. In order, he thinks we'll host either Michigan State, Michigan, or Northwestern.
ESPN basically creates the match-ups at the top. Assuming Payne returns to school as expected, MSU will be the class of the Big Ten (top 3-5 overall in nation) and likely face the expected top of the ACC (otherwise not on their schedule). OSU and Michigan are likely second and third in no specific order. ESPN usually creates two marquee games, one Tuesday at 9pm and one Wednesday at 9pm.
I'd be pretty surprised if MSU isn't in the marquee 9pm game. I imagine that will be paired with some sort of Duke/UNC/Syracuse. Being Duke took them out in the Sweet 16, won't be surprised to see that match up again. MSU recruited Parker really hard, he ended up at Duke. (ESPN pulled the Zeller vs UNC this season) Home and away matches up as MSU went to Miami while Duke hosted OSU last year. MSU doesn't play Duke in the Champions Classic next year.
Hope ND doesn't draw Northwestern, that would stink.
he can't coach either.
and the only first-time visitor to ND. NC State's last visit to ND was in 1982, when I was still in high school. Duke last came to ND 1995, UNC in 1994, Virginia's only visit was in 1991, and Georgia Tech's last one was 1990. Of coruse, ND hosted BC, Pitt and VT in Big East games.
Next year will include our first-ever visits to, and regular season games against, FSU and Wake. Our only previous meetings were losses in the 2011 NCAAs and 2000 NIT championship game, respectively. We will visit Maryland for the first time since New Year's Eve 1986. which proved to be our last trip to Cole Field House. Maryland last played at ND in 1988, but likely won't return outside the context of the ACC-Big Ten Challenge.