Enjoyable for you.
for being so upset. The Tournament is just not that much fun for me once ND has been eliminated. And, of course, every year I pick ND to at least win a couple of games. This year I had them going to the Elite 8. Unrealistic, I know, but I pick with my heart, not my head. Perhaps I'll watch Florida Gulf Coast.
of our crappy post season basketball has done a number on me.
It did bother me more than '08 or '12. This team had no consistency, and I adjusted my expectations accordingly. There were the UL, MU, and Pitt wins, but there were also the PC and G'town losses and the 2 DP games. PC's hot shooting made for a nice BET run, but you knew he wouldn't continue to shoot .625 from 3.*
While never dreamed of such an ugly loss, I knew that 10 over 7 upsets aren't uncommon, and I assumed a loss to tOSU in the next round, anyhow. Given the expectations engendered through half of the '11 BET semis, what happened w/ that team thereafter hurt a lot more. I can also think of several losses between '74 and '81 that hurt much more.
*PC only attempting 2 treys is still a head-scratcher.
You've missed some really high quality basketball.
For your sake, I hope that either Brey gets this tournament figured out, or that Swarbrick has the cajones to replace him if he continues to flounder.
The NCAA tournament first weekend is my favorite sports weekend of the year.
I'm upset by the loss, but I guess my expectations were lower than some.
continues. We all know the status quo isn't getting it done. If there's no news on the practice facility front, if Brey makes no changes with his staff, and if recruiting next November returns to the form of a few years ago, then the only thing to be hopeful about would be Demetrius Jackson.
by focusing solely on Jackson. In Beacham it may take a year but I'd suspect Vasturia will be in the mix next year.
I'm not saying they won't be good players, I just don't think they will make much of an impact as freshman.
Many fellow alums who started at Holy Cross (before it went 4 year, obviously) would disagree with you. The fact of the matter is: ND has a history of accepting Jucos, albeit to a lesser degree athletes from junior colleges. "Juco" doesn't necessarily mean "substandard." We should welcome - better yet, learn how to recruit - talented players from junior colleges who have shown the requisite intelligence and discipline to succeed in the classroom. Let's be honest, it's not that hard to do just fine academically at ND.
With extremely rare exceptions, excellent basketball players who go to community colleges were not able to achieve the NCAA minimum for curriculum, grades, and test scores. If they had achieved the minimum, they would have gone to a four year college in the first place. We are not talking about a high hurdle to clear.
That is not the same as good students going to Holy Cross to earn a shot at Notre Dame. The basketball non-qualifiers couldn't even have been admitted to one of the schools that isn't eligible for the tournament because of a low APR score. Most Holy Cross students had choices, both four-year and community colleges.
Marquette and others will admit basketball players who barely meet the NCAA's minimum standards. Some of those schools, Marquette included, will and some will not admit jucos who could not meet the NCAA minimum when as high school seniors. Notre Dame requires basketball players to be well above the NCAA minumum before they'll be admitted. If they won't take the guys at or near the minimum, I don't think they would take non-qualifiers two years later.
Maybe there is an exception once in a while - a late bloomer academically, a late bloomer physically who chose a Juco to prepare himself for a shot at D1 basketball, or someone who was injured or had an illness during the key recruiting time in high school and chose a Juco after recuperating. Maybe. But there are very few of those guys.
Darius Johnson-Odom. Jae Crowder. Jimmy Butler. All qualifiers out of high school. All blew-up as Jucos. All presumably did just fine in the classroom and graduated from Marquette. All NBA players.
Substandard? No. Rare? Sure. So let's identify and reel in some of those rare Jucos who can contribute on the court and in the classroom. Frankly, if their academics are in order at the time we recruit them out of junior college, why would DQ b/c of their high school transcripts? I would posit: no good reason. Change the policy and except the "rare" guys.
But it won't happen.
Many good schools that thrive on their basketball program (Marquette, Villanova, Duke, Xavier to name a few) will admit virtually anyone that qualifies and then make sure they go to class and graduate. It's a perfectly reasonable policy. It's also one that is much different than ND's philosophy, and ND has shown no willingness whatsoever to move much in that direction.
In the exceedingly rare case of a JUCO basketball player who can pass admissions without character issues and who wants to play at ND, fine.
The general strategy of looking to the JUCO ranks to fortify athletics is doomed to fail, however, for rather obvious reasons.
Look, we all know Brey needs to find a way to replicate the kind of recruiting class he signed last November. ND has no hope of improving its NCAA performances without more athleticism and more talent. For that to happen, I think something new has to change things.
I can think of only two things that might change the status quo right away, short of ND taking Jucos or making big changes in its admissions policies.
1- A big announcement very soon that a donor has been found and a spanking new practice facility with all the bells and whistles will be a reality within a year or two, or
2- Swarbrick pushed Brey to shake up his staff. He gives Brey a big revenue injection and "orders" him to go out and hire an assistant coach known for his recruiting, maybe another one known for being a hard ass and a defensive teaching guro.
We all know what we have in Brey after 13 seasons. Nothing is going to change if the status quo continues. That's why I think the motto for the upcoming offseason ought to be, "no news is bad news."
We need to identify the best possible recruits who can pass admission and do our best to land them.
If a recruit is so good that there's a chance he'll leave after one year, then obviously we should recruit him.
for recruits in the, say, 40-75 range, who can get by admissions. ND really needs an Assistant coach who can sell ice to the Eskimos, and yet isn't a completely unethical scumbag.
Here's some more enrollment issues - I asked a former college basketball coach to take every starting lineup in the Big East when the Big East still mattered. Of those guys and those teams, how many would be able to cut it academically at Notre Dame?
Answer was no more than 10. That's a pretty shallow pool of recruits from which to choose.
I asked the same coach how many of the nation's top 100 prospects would have grades to get into Notre Dame. Answer? Ten, and of those 10, six are looking hard at Duke.
The odds are great, but not great enough that you cannot compete.
I get a kick out of people jumping all over the Florida Gulf Coasts of the world as example 1AAA why Mike Brey's not the guy - "If Florida Gulf Coast can make the Sweet 16, why can't Notre Dame????"
How many of those guys at Florida Gulf Coast could get into Notre Dame? Any?
1) ND isn't THAT hard academically, especially in certain majors
2) There are way more than ten players in the top 100 who can cut it at ND.
Referencing your question the other day, at least half of Louisville's rotation would do fine at ND academically. I know one in particular who probably would have gotten in as a regular student.
If Brey were ever in the position to be able to take a one-and-done who isn't a complete train wreck academically, I hope admissions wouldn't be so short-sighted as to deny it.
is exactly what we've been led to believe by El K every time the issue has come up.
Jabari Parker, for instance, probably has the grades to pass admissions, but ND can't recruit him because he's only going to be in school for a year.
I think we're still in limbo a bit with the issue.
One-and-dones are very rare (only 5 or 6 per year), and serious interest from one in ND - even without academic restrictions - will be even rarer going forward. It's just the pecking order of the college game. Again, even without the restrictions, there may be one about once every five years with interest in the ND program. Even serious powers in the game like Michigan State, Indiana, Louisville, Kansas, and others don't really get them because the pretty much only go to UK, UNC, and Duke.
If we lose out on a kid from South Bend or a prominent Chicago Catholic school because of it, then I'll raise my eyebrow.
I think there are more kids than people think, who could get by ND admissions. I'm not saying the pool isn't shallow, it is, but i don't think its as shallow as people think it is.
And a couple kids who looked at ND during the process, it's a pretty shallow pool whether its 10-20. It's a big uphill climb that needs to be mitigated by enhancements in other areas, something the administration/athletic department is not doing.
I guess I misinterpretd "the only thing to be hopeful for is Demetrious Jackson"
AD deserve? Why did they extend his contract for 10 years? IMO, they must be content with the program.
cost too much money and expose ND's reputation to too much risk given the demographics/sociology of the men's hoops talent pool. They're willing to take that risk with football, albeit often through grinding teeth and kicking and screaming, but not for men's hoops.