by HTownND (2016-12-21 14:23:51)
Edited on 2016-12-21 14:28:31
In reply to: Sane is pretty clearly offsides on the first goal. posted by ndroman21
In real time, that's pretty bang bang when you look at the stills.
It wasn't glaring, and definitely not something that was so egregious that it was uncalled. Something that close doesn't get called a lot of the time, that's part and parcel in judgement calls. The idea that something so bang bang is clearly offside is the problem. It wasn't clear, it was about as close as you see, and in the judgement of the ref, who was in perfect position, he wasn't. That's not a hill anyone should be willing to die on.
As for the latter, having watched it again, Cech was having trouble with that ball and the angle before Silva lunged at it.
Silva didn't come in until after the ball had left Sterling's foot, and if you follow Cech's head, it's hard to argue that Silva impacted him. At best Silva got a glimpse out of the corner of his eye, but that ball was going in, whether Silva lunged or not. He was clearly beat, it was an absurd angle and great ball from Sterling. There is a replay (I'll go searching) that shows the angle from behind Sterling where you can track his eyes/head. (see the link from 1:55 on, Cech wasn't slow to get to his left because of Silva, it just flat out beat him because it was an absurd angle and great shot)
The first one is a tough call, but it's there to be made. I've stipulated that it's not easy, but that's why you're the in the Premier league.
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If you're really expecting Wenger (or any manager for that matter) to not be upset by that, I think your expectations are frankly ridiculous.
The 2nd one is really just a judgement call and I think you're technically correct on reviewing the reverse angle. I just don't like the rule as a former goalkeeper.
I guarantee Cech knew Silva was there, whether his vision was affected or not. To me, that's gaining an advantage, but FIFA disagrees. Oh well.
Yes, I do think he should STFU. How many of those calls has Arsene benefited from in his career? Those type of bang bang calls tend to balance out when it's all said and done. It wasn't an egregious miscarriage of justice. I think he was offside, but not so egregiously so that it's an obvious call or that I'd call him clearly offsides. It was a bang bang judgement call.
I'm not saying he should be happy about it, but most managers chalk those things up to the bang bang nature of it, and don't waste precious time and energy bitching about it.
You have different standards for incidents involving your teams than you do for incidents involving their rivals.
But there's a difference between a bang bang offside call and a missed foul call no?
Managers, including Arsene, always bitch about the latter. But the former, you don't see a ton of bitching about, because that tends to even out.
...as they often and, in this case, lead directly to goals. A foul call outside of the area leads to a goal what? 5% of the time? 10%?
The foul call can be just as controversial and bang/bang as an offsides call. I would think that most managers would bitch about either circumstance, but I rarely pay attention to managers' postgame comments, even Wenger's.
Edit: There was also a similar bang/bang offsides call against Arsenal in the 1st half. So part of the problem was that it didn't even out.