In reply to: Shame is free and more effective posted by airborneirish
the, biggest causes of the obesity epidemic.
Anyone who has been to Disney would say "holy shit who eats this much?"
Why did you eat that last go ho?
Oh no!
Why did you have to grow?
I'm sorry that fat adults at disney world triggered you. These women should be shamed for gorging on dessert for breakfast and their chosen unhealthy lfiestyle.
I treat these people all the time, shame doesn’t work. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
most of my adult life, I have to say, that's a pretty bizarre characterization of obese/overweight people.
That said, I own my weight problem and would never consider taking a drug to control it. I've also never in my life "gorged on dessert for breakfast", or probably few, if any, of the other behaviors that run through your mind regarding people with weight issues.
airborne doesn't realize that he really is a peculiar cat, with not a small amount of obsessive compulsive tendencies. He devotes a lot of time to exercise, especially given he has 6 kids, is a very involved parent, and his a very successful guy with a difficult job. Kudos to him. But most people don't share his obsessions or quirks or priorities.
SEE posted a link to some insane guy's twitter feed. He called himself a doctor. Of course, he wasn't a doctor, as in physician, as he tried to insinuate on his diet/training/hooey blog. He was a former physical therapist (unclear if he ever actually had a PT license) and has no credentials at all in the science he was pontificating about, but hey, he did do a bunch of ironmans, which is hard for me to fathom any otherwise employed father training for.
Then again,, one our better posters could run from here to Silver Dollar City without breaking a sweat, and I know he coaches soccer and baseball and all the run of the mill geeky dad stuff I do because his kids play in the same CYC league as mine, so what do I do.
I don't think Chadwick gets angry at the portly.
error. I am not angry at fat people. I am angry at fat people who are trying to normalize their unhealthy condition. There are ample data showing that their lifestyle is bad for them and the economy. Yet their ranks grow and their champions want to convince us that "obese" is a slur.
FWIW I think bodybuilders are insane and just as unhealthy as morbidly obese people. Due to injuries I have not been able to consistently train at anything other than a marathon run for three years. That said I walk a lot and avoid unhealthy eating.
I get accused of taking PEDs but I assure you I'm just naturally a giant human and in fact I have not been in the gym more than 1 or two days a week for three years.
Unhealthy eating - how do you define that?
Foie gras? Ribeye steak? Osso bucco?
Cheeseburger? Burrito? Bacon and eggs?
I don’t believe plump people try to normalize their condition. But I hear you when I see people my age riding a scooter around Target.
I get accused of shooting heroin but in reality I am just really dope.
which is actually true.
Sounds like a sexy hamburger.
I think being online too much/staring at a TV/pop culture inhalation is a detriment to our well-being. Cults, whether they're twitter, NDNation, or cross-fit, are best enjoyed in moderation.
The fashion industry threw near-impossible standards of "thin" and beauty on us for years. One of my friends growing up was bulimic. Another was harassed for being a "tomboy". I'm sure I only saw the tip of the psychological damage.
There is absolutely a problem with obesity in America, but it's not solved by doing more psychological damage, nor is it encouraging people to do nothing. If only there were a path of moderation that encouraged people to make better choices and be the best individual they can. We should encourage the journey via whatever method works, be it weight loss drugs or otherwise.
Similarly, the medical industry is suffering from a pseudo-populist loss of belief in expertise, as you mentioned in the SEE post. People rush the fill the gaps with a bunch of bullshit because it's far more profitable to tell people you have the answer to all their problems if you just take x y z and BIG MEDICAL PHARMA doesn't want you to know it! Non-diabetics are wearing glucose monitors now, for chrissake. Any type one diabetic should be pissed, kind of like celiacs are annoyed at people who state they are "gluten free".
Get a good doctor, listen to them (unless they say to eliminate drinking, then get a new doctor).
Anyway, it's almost street hockey season and you'll see me out there running up and down the court. I'm a little slower, I'm about 5 lbs heavier than I should be, but I am absolutely devious. Get off my lawn, young people.
that Celiac's are annoyed by people who are GF without having Celiac's.
My almost-4 year old was formally diagnosed with Celiac's about 2 months ago, and it is a real motherfucker to build a decent diet with it. I never realized how pervasive wheat and byproducts are in all of our food until this, and I am really grateful that the GF market has grown to the point where there are good options for GF bread, pizza crust, Oreos, macaroni, etc. His (and ours to a degree) life would be kind of miserable without those options which likely wouldn't be available if there wasn't such a large market of non-Celiac's GF people.
As an aside, while going gluten-free was the last thing I ever thought I would do or needed, I do notice it helps a bit with inflammation. We are by necessity largely a GF household, though I will sneak my 1 year old some goldfish or graham crackers now and then. I'll eat a sub sandwich or pasta or something along those lines if I am on my own, but the dramatic reduction in wheat intake has helped a bit how I feel when I wake up, after I work out, etc. But for the record, I still wouldn't do this shit if I didn't have to.
Think of all the restaurants that now have gluten free and vegetarian options now that didn't before. It provides options when previously it was "I'll scrape em off for ya's".
I didn't consider the scenario of having to contend with a household member having dietary restrictions - I was thinking of restaurants. Still, my mistake - sorry about that!
My general defensiveness comes from having in laws that were type 1 diabetic. People using equipment not intended for them in a medical context because some internet doctor told them irks me a bit.
I also think the general "ha ha diabetes will come for them!" sentiment around type 2 diabetics causes some splash damage to type 1 families, and it's frustrating.
I'd made (maybe incorrect?) assumptions that hearing someone wax poetic about being gluten free would rankle you a bit when you have someone with a medical condition, but maybe I'm just amped up unnecessarily.
Something fishy under all that.
Nice guy? I try and fail a lot! And I definitely break a sweat when I run. THR knows most of my bad habits.
Having just returned from Las Vegas, if there was ever a time I was going to get angry at the portly, it was in attempting to walk down the Strip on a Saturday afternoon while in a rush to get somewhere.
As for the underlying debate, I see both sides of the argument here. I think we're far too quickly turning to the miracle drugs to fix some problems that could be solved with better diet, less alcohol, more exercise. At the same time, I'm settling into middle age and no longer able to cut 5-10 pounds simply by running an extra 10-15 miles in my weekly training cycle. I'm much shorter, less muscular, and nowhere near as handsome as my friend Airborne, and he's only got me by about 30-35 pounds. I certainly wouldn't want to get in a fistfight with him. If he's pulling that off with some walking, keeping busy, and a decent diet, more power to him. I know he doesn't need Ozempic, just like most of the moms I know at my kids' school don't need it either. But many of them are taking it. The dads now, too, though I'll note it's mostly the most vain among them that are doing so.
Right now I'm angry at Andy for getting that grill discussion going in the BR, because it caused me to buy a new Weber last night that I now have to find time to put together.
You wouldn't like it and would probably adjust to lose it. Lifestyle is a choice. My kids see photos of me when I was 29 - 32 and say I look older than I do now. I agree. That said my tendons and ligaments know the truth. Keep putting up those miles. The second you stop the little support players atrophy and it makes it VERY hard to boot up the system again.
Onward
If I learned anything, it's that I need to either clean the hell out of it or get a new one because I probably came thisclose to a grease fire explosion in my backyard.
But I sure as shit will have Forshaw put mine together.
FYI Billy is going to Ladue Fifth Grade Center next year but James will remain at STC. No idea about HS for either. Priory, Chaminade, Ladue and maybe CBC and SLU all in play.
We need to get to get with Jinx soon.
p.s. Were you in Las Vegas for U2? I thought you already saw it?
Costco had a pretty good deal on the larger Genesis. The movers broke something in my 16 year old Weber something or other (maybe a small Genesis?), and I figured it was about time to replace it anyway.
No DeSmet on that HS list? I'd otherwise consider SLUH for my boys, but Charlie is drawn to my FIL's alma mater (DeSmet) through their summer camps and the possibility that he may move over in 7th grade when it opens in Fall 2025. I can't see us going to Priory or Chaminade, and I suppose CBC could happen under certain circumstances. G13 is definitely going to SJA like her mom unless something crazy happens.
And yes, I went back to Vegas for a second U2 show. The Missus didn't go first trip, so I took her on a return one.
I'd love to get together with you guys - you know where to find me!
Isn't the point of the linked analysis that it won't actually save money in the long-run? That the savings associated with avoiding cardiovascular disease complications, etc. are dwarfed by the cost of the drugs at current prices?
Now obviously I haven't looked at the underlying analysis to evaluate its rigor. But Brian Deese and Jonathan Gruber aren't idiots.
At some point these will be like Statins and be cheap/ubiquitous.
The real question is how we get there. Wait for the patents to expire? Pay the companies only for the cost savings they give the system? Buy out the early patents?