In reply to: We need the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. posted by BigBadBrewer
What arguments, today, would you use to justify the voting power differential for individuals in different states?
For 250 years, the parties would hypothetically renegotiate and do what exactly? Wait we have a process for that. I wonder what it’s called.
today over a popular vote? Why?
Yes, laws at any level can change. A useful observation! Indeed, that's exactly what the compact would do -- states would change their laws in order to apportion their EC votes, a power generally left to the states in the Constitution. So now that we agree, states can make laws and take actions... maybe you can try answering?
If we're going to move to Popular vote, then I want the US 2-party system blown up.
The best way to do this is move to RCV across the board, for all candidates.
This *should* give third party candidates a reasonable shot and now the popular vote also incorporates the 50% Independent middle.
As someone downthread (maybe ElK? ) pointed out, are we ready to become the next EU?
proposal complies with the Constitution. States can decide how to award their electoral college votes which is why Nebraska and Maine award them by Congressional District. If that view prevails no amendment would be needed.
Movement. I won't accept faithless electors - not ad hoc as Trump wanted them when he didn't win, and not "legally" bound to how others outside my state vote as opposed to how my state voted.
That is a bridge too far. I don't want to be part of that version of the United States. And I will be in good company.
P.S. Porous borders + citizenship + this popular vote compact is quite the Democratic Party strategic plan.
they will be following the rules established by the State. My difficulty on this topic is there are two competing arguments. First, dont let CA or NY tell me how to live. Two, if NY OR CA change their rules for their state in a way I dont like I am out.
In my view something needs to give. The entire premise of the nation rests upon the acceptance of the winner as legitimate. If we cotinue to have popular vote winners who lose the the electoral college I am not certain how long we can sustain that.
We see it here in Illinois with the "Eastern Block" in the legislature who want to divide into two states because Chicago region controls everything and does not represent their values. However, they have far fewer representatives than the Chicago area because of course they have fewer residents.
I already live in your crooked shithole. But it isn't enough for you to control state and local - you want it all. And you want it with a radical change via no Amendment, just a 50+1 vote in each state. Completely unsurprising.
Positively trumpian language. Ffs, you're better than this.
A reasonable argument in support. Honestly have not given much thought to the idea so not certain where I would come down. I do think as a general matter more elections where the popular vote winner loses the election undermines faith in the process and that is a bad thing for the nation. It yes you know we well enough to know that I want to control the whole nation.
As for my crooked shithole you have the freedom to live in another state and still enjoy all the benefits of being a US Citizen to get away from me and my co-conspirators of course I don’t have the similar ability to move to another state and still not deal with EC and its impact on elections.
People in Chicago want guns banned because there's a crime/gang (not to mention prosecution) problem up here.
So for that reason, should farmers south of 80 not be allowed to have AR's to kill gophers that could maim their cattle with their holes?
Even Canadian farmers have guns. They don't ask for or need semi autos with high capacity. They don't need Carl spacklers c4.
Pistols are a more tangled web. Good people usually want them because bad people want them and they feel threatened.
This fuckers can go to fucking hell.
As Raoul said, if the electors exist, I want them to vote the way the people in my state voted, not the way people in another state voted.
workarounds. Alas, I think this workaround is the most likely.
on things like early voting, absentee voting, whether felons can vote, etc...
You need to Amend if want Popular Vote and then everyone has the same set of voting rules - for president at least. But right now it is 50 individual races with 50 sets of rules. Tying your electors to how the other 49 states voted is insanity and reduces the value of my vote, which was done in my state under the rules of my state.
Changed to a popular vote in the wake of the 1968 election. It fell apart because of southern opposition in the senate after house approval by large margins.
If it changes by the Amendment process, fine. That is not the compact.