You're talking about "The Squad"
by sprack (2024-02-26 17:08:21)
Edited on 2024-02-26 17:09:05

In reply to: Which views?  posted by krudler

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They're the lunatic fringe of the Democratic Party. But they're not in control of the party, unlike the Republican Party, where the lunatic fringe is in control of the House of Representatives and many other places as well.

Was that the question? He asked me if there were any
by krudler  (2024-02-26 18:49:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

elected officials espousing those policies or beliefs. Many in his administration, although not elected, feel the same way as the squad. And if you look at polling in the Democratic party it does align with a lot of the youth in the party. I answered his question directly. There are few, if any, elected Democrats who could be considered pro-life. Next question.

Who in the administration feels that way?
by sprack  (2024-02-26 21:08:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

I sure can't see any in the Cabinet. Do you have some names?

The youth of the Democratic Party has been farther left than the party at large since time immemorial, then they get older and get out of school and find jobs.

I'm not defending the lack of pro-life elected Democrats at all. Primarily from a moral standpoint but also from a political standpoint. For the first ten years after the Roe v Wade decision there was no litmus test in either party. You even had a Republican first lady (Betty Ford) who was in favor of it publicly, and then the Carter administration stopping federal funding of abortions. In fact abortion wasn't even an issue in either the '72 or '76 elections. You had pro-life Democrats in Congress with names like Dick Gephardt and Al Gore. There was one in the Senate named Joe Biden.

In the 80's, unfortunately, and American politics ended up more and more polarized to the point of that no one with an opinion that deviates from that particular party line has a hope of getting elected and it crowds out everything else. It's been absolute poison.
There are plenty of substantiated articles out there
by krudler  (2024-02-27 14:42:31)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

about staffers writing letters, staging/planning walkouts, etc. due to Biden's position on the war.

I agree on your points about the abortion debate. One of my hopes with the overturning of RvW and moving it back to the states is that it would open up the possibility of more nuanced positions on the issue, as the issue will get more attention at the state level and laws can be passed that impact the issue more locally than just a monolithic policy at the federal level. Who knows if it will happen or not.

Of all of the things that have gone wrong with our political
by wearendhockey  (2024-02-26 17:45:32)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

discourse over the last 30-35 years, the one that says the Democratic party has moved as far to the left as the Republican party has to the right is the one that confounds me the most.

As you note, the far left nutbars of the Democratic party has no control over it. They barely move the needle. But the other party cannot say that. Yet to hear many talk, that reality is light years from what they believe. Far left fringe politicians like Bernie Sanders and Ilhan Omar are not running the Democratic party. A literal insurrectionist authoritarian with many parallels to fascists from the early 20th century is the standard bearer for the Republican party.

The never-Trump normal conservatives out there need to make a clean break from the Republican party. A full, clean break and start over. Think of it as the 21st century version of the Whigs.

It's fear-mongering
by sprack  (2024-02-26 18:04:39)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Cannot reply

And the Whig analogy is apt. The lunatic fringe of that party became the Know-Nothings. The normal former Whigs joined the new Republican Party.

The Trump GOP has morphed into Know-Nothings.