1. It has always insulted the contributions of the Poles, Germans and Italians who actually made ND an excellent school.
2. It reinforces and praises the negative characteristics of the Irish regarding drunkenness, and disorder and is thus socially unproductive, much the way "gangster rap" is.
3. Notre Dame's live leprechaun is the most embarrassing mascot of any school. Must we be the Amos 'n Andy of American ethnic Catholicism?
4. We should adopt something less offensive to people but that would also refer to our historic heritage. Crusaders, for example.
It encompasses the European and Religious roots perfectly.
Has an Gothic/athletic sound, yet catchier than being the Notre Dame Fighting Naves. Shouldn't offend anyone other than possibly the descendants of medieval stone cutters who, I'm guessing, are a poorly organized underserved constituency.
Oh, yeah,. Crusaders! We're going to take the Holy Land back from the Muslim infidels!
But the Harp fans would be insulted.
the Sacking Huns of Notre Dame? Or maybe the Visigoths... -Wass
That would give them a dilemma...universally offensive but how do they ban themselves?
I think it's people like you that give the Irish a bad name, fella.
In regard to your suggested replacement "Crusaders", it's obvious that you have no historical knowledge of the atrocities carried out by this group of Catholic thugs in the name of religion. Crusaders were men who fought even more than the Irish. Furthermore, in case you haven't already read the writing on the wall, ND has hired a muslim - an actual freaking muslim to teach theology along with the esteemed Richard McBrien. How do you think he would feel? How do you think Ryan Harris would feel? Not only that, how long do you think the Dome would last once the muslims are in the majority? I guarantee you that it won't be long before one of those puddle jumpers from O'Hare comes crashing down into our beloved dome if ND changed its name to Crusaders.
Next time, think twice before you post - or, in the immortal words of so many on this board - read more, post less.
The Righteous Avenging Crusaders of Death.
Unlike other "offensive" names, "Fighting Irish" was a slur before it was adopted as the team's nickname. Since "Irish" was used as blanket slur for all catholics, the name itself is a big middle finger to the anti-catholic movements in the early 20th century. I think the whole argument is silly, even if its just baiting, but it is even more silly considering the real history of the name.
Many may already know this, but I have not yet seen it posted.
Really. ND could try it and bring in some of the Spamalot knights as mascots. This would help turn around their Princeton Review designation of "Least tolerant campus for alternative lifestyles."
The state tree of Indiana is the tuliptree. Doesn't the Notre Dame Tuliptrees shake you all the way to the bone?
we have to go home to have sex!
With our new and improved "D" in mind, how about The Bell Ringers?
Or staying with that theme - The Fighting Johnsons.
No Fighting Irish, No Notre Dame......."Moran"
either that or "Accenture"
If we must go with multiple words, then I'll settle for Brandon Wheat Kings or Stony Island Rangers.
1) Not racial, gender, or sexually offensive
2) Nickname does not end in S
3) The bitchin' uni's, would put the ducks' uniforms to shame
Not only would this be politically correct, it would also be correct correct.
If the truth fits, wear it.
Nobody would find fault with us for this.
our mascot could be this guy
Zippo lighters. Maybe the Righteous Witch Burners would sound better.
It'll only offend Soviet Georgians, and only during sunburn season at that.
from Minnesota. If Knute is truly our greatest treasure, than there can be no other choice. Our mascot could ride a Harley in the stadium too.
Oh wait, never mind.
Get Bill Clinton donning a afro with some blackface and you have a mascot
It's so arrogant and it offends women because they're not marching in the song along with the men.
I am a newbie that had never much paid attention to ndoldtown's posts. Genius. Especially the way you can continue to bait them. You became a god to me...not The God, but a god. I know its corny to post this, but I must pay homage.
Not until forced to.
Knowing the history of the nickname reminds one that once
we were the underdogs, not the arrogant, pompous, affluent,
overstuffed, self-indulged, know-it-all pricks that we are
accused of being now.
I certainly hope so.
It has kind of an RC ring to it, and it will give parents a (false) sense of security sending their daughters to ND. Its a pretty tough name too. Nothing's meaner than an irishman who's been cut off.
A drunk scruffy Irish dude sporting a tent?
Crusaders is making fun of the Muslim nation
Rock has probably the most historical linkage.
Our new cheer could be
"We Rock and you don't"
We could play "Cuts like a knife" 10 times per game on that jumbotron White had better buy for us. And if we were paper, we could play "Paper in Fire" for the team intros on the jumbotron, and have cool flame graphics coming off of the players' shoulders.
We could be the Notre Dame Donkey Punchers or the Notre Dame Crouching Caesars.
you should see all the older people flashing "the shocker" when WSU is on tv.
of course they have no idea what the hell they are doing...or what it means.
like i said - funny and kind of sad at the same time.
We had never been in contention for the Sears Cup until his tenure. Got more done in 18 years than Fr Ted did in 35.
But other than that, I will personally kick anyone who attempts to impose a name change on us, squarely in the nuts.
Czarobski, Dancewicz, Szymanski, Patulski, Browner, Page, Brown, Ismael, Heavens etc. feel about being referred to as Irish...
They just played good, hard ND football.
Inspiring.
Just read Leahy's Lads...a very good book...
... the Irish Thirst or the Irish Curse
I now think your suggestion fookin' stinks and ya' can shove it up your arse.
And I'll fight any man here who's not with me.
What the fook are YOU lookin' at?
I hope this works. Haven't tried this before. Family Guy - s05e10 Peter's two dads - Irish airport
Back to the drawing board. Damn.
Lloyd Carr and Urban Meyer will tell every recruit not to go to Notre Dame because there is a controversy over our mascot. After all, wolverines and gators aren't offensive.
Those other coaches will tell recruits to stay away from Notre Dame because the fans support an ethnic stereotype. Expect many decommits after this thread. Our class will be lucky to be rated in the top fifteen.
or maybe the Notre Dame Passive Monks.
Edit: link NSFW. Sorta.
If any of you have ever wondered why I (and others like me) spend time on here - this thread is your answer. Hilarious. You cannot find anything like it on any other football board.
although I'm here as a genuine subway alum and former townie...
or the ragin hobgoblins
...that thing is an insult to everything any decent God-fearing American holds dear. If there's a true enemy, it is surely the Blue Raider.
Then, we will have the "Fighting Iris" and be able to take on the Stanford tree with a true fluer-de-lis flair.
We will pummel the tree with our radiant beauty and long stalks - and beards.
Though that might offend the impotent. Crap!
Just call ourselves Notre Dame?
earth's crust cooled 3 billion years ago and has remained so ever since."
That said, there's lots of blood and guts in Irish history, which is kinda cool. They had the misfortune to be weak and located close to Britain, making it a constant target of England and Wales, which wanted to prevent invasion of their island via Ireland. And then, of course, religious issues developed.
saved that.
The beer is okay, though.
or Big Gold.
Cold calling does work.
In 28 years living in Ireland I have met TWO people who object to our name-and one was English.
and literally hundreds who when I respond to the "Where are you from question,and I say Notre Dame" say, "oh the Fighting Irish -and they all -and I mean ALL-smile,with pride.
just an Ireland perspective..
bill
Pugilistic Papists
Kombating Kelts
Battling Bards
- Uncle Ben
And here I thought just made great rice. Who knew?
Crusaders is possibly the worst, most offensive Catholic mascot. It sounds really heroic until you actually study the crusades.
Anyone can bomb innocent civilians from way up there in the sky.
Punks.
*eyeroll*
It is French like Notre Dame so it speaks to our origins, it is slow so it speaks to what people say about our players, and, if anybody complains about our mascot, we tell them to eat us. But PETA might get mad at us..is escargot an animal?
I'm sure it'll fit on the T-shirts quite nicely.
with wanting to get rid of the nickname. I am 100% Irish and by no means am i offended by the name, just leave the subject alone it's really annoying.
it was the defensive that kept us in hot water...
demonstrating absurdity by being absurd?
Change is sometimes difficult to swallow.
Don't shoot the messenger - ndoldtown is just trying to help and he always brings a good message to the forum.
How different is "Fighting Irish" from "Fighting Harps"?
It's so degrading.
Those of us with more discriminating sensibilities (not 100% Irish) need to be heard from.
The Fighting Newbie Baiters.
Who's with me?!
We should change our mascot to the Fighting Irish Guy, or just Irish Guy.
ND would be more in touch with their surroundings.
A mascot dressed in Amish garb driving a horse and buggy around the stadium - the Sooner Schooner would take a backseat to ND.
"HERE COME THE AMISH!!!...HERE COME THE AMISH!!!"
Do the Amish fight?
I can hear the "four corners of the stadium cheer" during the 10 minute timeouts for NBC commercials:
"WE..........ARE..........AH..........MISH"
naming after any group of people will surely offend someone, and we can't have that. So we're down to animals, plants, or inanimate objects. The latter 2 just simply won't do. But all the really cool animals are taken. So what are we to do? I've got a name that rolls off the tongue, and stays true to the fighting spirit of our teams, even if it isn't the most intimidating animal in and of itself. We should rename our teams "The ass-kickin chickens"
For every nickname, someone is offended. That doesnt mean we start getting rid of all nicknames. I mean come on, how far is this going to go. Maybe Georgia should get rid of the "Bulldogs" because they make bulldogs seem aggressive and mean. I find bulldogs loving and sensitive. Im offended.
Go Irish , Fighting Irish
Your basic swarthy-skinned Mediterreanean types will never understand.
But I was born to it.
It's the American way to wallow in self-pity. And it defuses Stanford band attempts at sarcasm.
Don't like that? How about Inerrant Papists? Or Bloody Martyrs? Fish-eaters is a nice alternative to Mackeral Snappers, which probably doesn't mean much to most non-Catholics today. Or the Fighting Dolours (of the BVM.)
BB last night. I also wonder how popular you are w/ Flanner alums these days.
We already have Stonehenge on campus along with students who wear face/body paint.
who could be offended. Though Geico proved me wrong on cavemen. Man, what a PR nightmare that was!
there aren't any Native Americans of the Illini tribes any more, either.
And yet the Greek are seemingly unoffended!!
minority of persons who are always offended by one thing or another and try to impose their will on everyone else. I hope Knute Rockne rises from the dead, learns of your "discussion" drivel, and proceeds to tear you to shreads-----and then resumes coaching our beloved FIGHTING IRISH! Do us all a favor and become a bucking fuckeye fan so we don't have to put up with your sorry ass. Maybe you should contact Poodle and let him know that the Trojan nickname is offensive to rubbers and should be changed immediately. You make me ill!
How does someone get hooked that late into the thread? Weren't there already 25-50 posts demonstrating that this was newbie baiting at it's best/worst?
Terry Fox was a source of much amusement in the past. I believe the fisherman in that instance was SBDomer.
He, like so many of us, labored under the burden of their reputation and worked hard to burnish the image of Notre Dame despite the weight of their deadening hand.
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It does have a ring to it.
Kinda old homey, non-offensive. Perfect.
Our logo can be two bunnies loping tenderly through the wild meadows.
Batman would be our mascot. He already has blue and gold in his uniform. It also would be an ode to our science department, because Batman's a scientist.
We could send up the Bat Signal for night games.
We need something more gentle, but still martial. Maybe the Templars. They were priests as well as knights, weren't they?
the Holy Land was to earn a living. They were mercenaries and they went where the jobs were. The leaders went in search of land and riches, and they found them. Read the history of the Crusades and you will learn that they were a very dark chapter in human history.
In keeping with "our historic heritage" and not being "Amos 'n Andy," I suggest we go with "The Inquisitors." That was socially productive, don't you think?
As an added benefit noone would ever expect us.
to impose my ethnicity on you. Discrimination is just another word for ignorance.
Edit: spelling
I like Amos 'n Andy, they are funny as hell. Tell me honestly you don't bust a gut listening to them.
with just Notre Dame Irish on them. I like the Leprechaun with a pipe in his mouth too.
The next suggestion with be to put big flippin UN stickers on the gold helmets.
Humour for you Brits. :)
Fighting (but sober) kraut, mick, pollack, guinea irishmen
it's a little long but doesn't leave out any of the important aforementioned groups
crusaders brings to remembrance the actual crusades--that is politically incorrect to the max--don't you know what a travesty it would be to offend muslims in this day and age
in fact, i believe i just saved your life because as soon as the name was changed to Fighting Crusaders, every muslim worth his salt would take a blood oath to behead you
no need to thank me, i'm nothing if not helpful and concerned for your welfare
Don't forget those coonass cajuns, they're Catholic too!
It's all a part of your sick Cynthia thing, man. Taking care of her fucking dog. Going to her fucking synagogue. You're living in the fucking past.
Mackeral Snapping Anarchists
"A derivative phrase, "Mackeral Snapping Anarchists," is often borne as a point of pride by people affiliated with the University of Notre Dame, after it was coined by a member of the Ku Klux Klan in an anonymous letter written to the President of the University in 1924, after approximately 1,000 Notre Dame students had succeeded in driving some 30,000 rallying Klansmen out of South Bend."
I had no idea.
of beautiful tradition, from Moses to Sandy Koufax, you're goddamn right I'm living in the fucking past!
someone the square community won't give a shit about.
Aren't you?
Aren't you?
Please don't ever stop posting.
Who helped put the University on the map.
There's things in this world still worth "fighting" for
Also, it may not be related but Father Corby blessed the Irish troops at the battle of Gettysburg. By the way, I hate political correctness.
I thought the story went that the word "fighting" was added to the name after a violent street fight broke out between the students at the university and a group of KKK members who had come to South Bend.
Is there any truth to that?
Klan rally in late spring of 1924, basically leading to the elimination of the Klan as a viable political organization in Indiana. Prior to that, the Klan had grown to a major force in Indiana, basically controlling state politics. Within a few months of the riot, ND had won it's first consensus national football championship (4 horsemen year) and the Indiana Klan leader was convicted of 2nd degree murder. Go Fightin' Irish!
you cant be serious
n1!!fm!11
certain board posters on Rock's House.
how about exchanging the Irish for Italians, and associate ourselves with far superior art, architecture, music and food.
For example, we could Andrea Bocelli to sing the national anthem and Tony Soprano to speak at pep rally's before the big games instead of football players (boring) to get us in the proper killing mood.
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but could Andy support a mascot that used that much hair gel?
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I'll never concede "music". It's too deeply engrained in my soul.
You can have my mom's cooking though. When Priscilla Presley said "I'm boiling a roast" in Naked Gun, I wondered why everyone was laughing.
but besides that we're as good a hard drinking, lookin to fight, guilt ridden, irish catholic school as any other place.
Go Cross Beat Bucknell
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Long streak of bowl losses? Sorry, ma'am, that was the Irish who spit the bit in the postseason!
Feeling shame over firing your minority coach preemptively or kicking an old man off your coaching staff for no good reason? Well, the Crusaders would never do such a thing!
Hoping to appeal to a broader base of today's fans? Nothing like an abstract, non-denominational nickname to ramp up patronage among the savvy consumers of a new millenium! Is "Spirit" already spoken for? By a men's team, I mean?
Are you sure?
home of a ton of future NHLers
Named after Colbert.
I just don't get it.
Yours Truly
Drunkenmick
might I suggest the Fighting Whities.
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that name in case people have trouble with using a prophylactic as a mascot.
#3 is too true for this to be tongue in cheek.
I cringe every time I see a close up of the leprechaun shouting into the camera. Is there a weight limit (like 150 lbs) on those trying out?
I'm to busy farming this potato field,pounding beers,and whippin the snot out of my 17 kids.
After all ND was founded by a Frenchie. Maybe we can have a mascot like the French in Monty Python's Holy Grail. He can snort and say I fart in your general direction.
Why did I even respond to this post?
I'm pretty sure US Rep. Peter King, a domer BTW, has been quoted as saying that it's not a World War until the French have surrendered.
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but they didn't. Who know who those people were, Clyde? The French. You're not French...are you Clyde? Voulez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir, Clyde?
God I love Cartman
. . . and your father smelled of elderberries.
After seeing his Duke posts yesterday on The Pit, part of me says he is. But the other part says he's dead serious.
I'm Irish and I see no problem with Fighting Irish at all. I think most other Irish people would agree. Many Irish people I know who have no affiliation with the University love wearing Notre Dame apparel out of pride for their Irish heritage. However, I have always thought it ironic that the PC police did not go after the one mascot that was actually named off of a stereotype.
The Fighting Irish name has no place in our current global economy. It is offensive. I don't even like tying "The Fighting Irish." It makes me feel dirty. We should just call it the "FI" term.
Why do you support bigotry? Let's just drop the "FI" term and move on.
the "feckin' idgets"?
We could drop FI and just go to Irish. As an Irish American, I don't really see it as that big of a deal.
It singles out a group of people. It ignores other ethnic groups: like the proud Poles and Eye-talians who helped make Notre Dame great. I say we should rename the mascot "Green." The University of Notre Dame Green.
If you must include a religious element to the mascot. Then we should be called the University of Notre Dame Muslims. Islam is a religion of peace. And it won't offend anyone. If anyone is offended, then they are clearly bigots. And who cares what they think.
since Algor won a grammy.
Our new mascot should be a guy in an Algor fat suit driving around a Prius Hybrid.
When we play Stanford, our Algor can symbolicly hug a tree while we all recite the prayer to Mother Earth.
Why not reach out to the Chinese? We could be the first to adopt our native language for the 22nd century.
...the 12th Century.
Any one who has watch the extras of Anchor Man knows what Im talking about
ndoldtown is glad you returned his hook now that you are done with it.
the hook got me pretty good. It hurts, it really does.
Sigh.
Love,
Newbie
Our mascot should be a guy wearing all black with a black hood over his face and carrying a sub-machine gun. The fight song should be changed to "Sunday Bloody Sunday."
We live in the 21st Century. We are beyond using offensive slurs about the shanty Irish as our team's mascot. The potato famine happened a long time ago. Let's get over that.
I disagree with your suggestion about "The Crusaders." That is too religious. It might offend non-Christians. We don't want to do that. I suggest we follow Stanford and rename our disgusting "Fighting Irish" to "Green."
The University of Notre Dame Green. Much better. Only ignorant assclowns would want to keep "The Fighting Irish."
It would be very good PR for the University. But how about a better mix of the Crusader clad in green who wields his broadsword against SUV's and inefficient lightbulbs? This is the type of thinking that could move ND forward, but that we dont see because the administration is so fearful of change.
It would smack of popery. The last thing we need is a mascot that might appeal to all of those Maryists ruining our great country.
I do like the idea of a character with a sword bashing an SUV. Why not replace the offensive Crusader with a member of the Ulster Irish?
The College of the Holy Cross. The Crusaders. And let's not forget "Crusader Rabbit"
It was a mix of confusion and shock.
to get stupid, now.
Ah yes, Crusaders would go over nicely with the Muslim community. Concentrate your efforts on a cure for cancer or something.
I sent Champaign a suggestion to change their mascot to Chief Illiniwitz. He's a part Jewish, part Italian cop, who has some authentic native American blood in him. He's actually the chief of police, not a native American Chief, but if you say he can't be, I'll sue you!
I have not heard back from them, yet.
Shut up
Isnt that how you people use your machines to quell those who challenge your medieval attitudes?
Is what our competition would say.
be more like Stanford. I mean they are so creative, free-thinking, and eco-friendly.
The season is over, spring practice has not begun and maybe we can have some honest, open discussion about what has been an embarrassing, retro shame to our school for a long time now.
After all, 2,000 years is kinda long for that one too.
I'm Mediteranean Irish can I qualify for payments?
Muslims a little upset? Additionally, I know Hillary & Rosie will not be happy!
murdered Jews & other "non-believers" at the same rate, esp during the "1st Crusade". Richard the Lionhearted made Saladin look like a piker when it came to slaughter.
Now they are the Cardinals
Isnt that the ethos you people dig?
that marks you people as a threat to American Democracy.