There are lies, darned lies, and statistics.

There are lies, darned lies, and statistics.
by wearendhockey (2024-03-10 21:01:02)

In reply to: Agreed posted by ndmd99

The four teams that finished in front of us took fewer penalty minutes in their 4 games against us, and the two that finished behind us took more. I think that is just as important as the overall numbers.

Were we getting the calls our first year in the league or were we just playing better than the other teams? Ohio State and Notre Dame were the least penalized teams overall and finished 2nd and 1st. 34+ games is more illustrative too than just 4. And ask a Minnesota fan about the call that put Notre Dame on the PP a minute into the OT in the 2019 semi final, the PP that led to the winning goal. They will swear on a stack it was an awful, homer call. It might not have been the best call, but if Michigan is going to get calls over us in hockey, Minnesota definitely will too. That loss eliminated MN from any chance of an NCAA bid in 2019. The highest rated FF games since the tournament went to 16 games generally have involved Minnesota.

I think officiating in college hockey is substandard, especially when compared with the quality of the players and coaches. But it always has been. I think it is a tough stretch to think officiating had anything of substance to do with where we ended up in the standings or the fact we are not playing another game this season. I watched most of Notre Dame's home games and don't think for one second favorable officiating is why we had a home winning % 2 1/2 times better than on the road. Frankly, the way Notre Dame played on Friday for most of the game it would have taken having the refs in our pocket to win the game.

LOL you love your stats

In a sport like hockey, stats give objective support to justify or refute subjective observations.

I watched virtually every home/away game live/streaming/TV. And a couple non-ND B10 games. My issue is with the subjective interpretation in what's "unsportsmanlike" vs 5 vs 10 vs suspension. Which has been applied differently to ND games (which leads to the primary discrepancy in those PIM stats with the blue bloods).

In-conference PIM/G were 13.5 ND vs 10.8 Opp.

Out-of-conference PIM/G were 10.3 ND vs 12.3 Opp.

Essentially a 5 PIM swing in vs out of conference.

This past weekend was bad. Listening on the radio doesn't do it justice (although it sounds like Pritchett was riled up about the calls). The refs were all over the place with their major interpretations (and 3 of the 4 interpretations went against us). I think the last 3 major reviews didn't even initially have penalties called on the ice.

The inconsistent major/minor calls 100% played a role in the outcome. If Bavaro's major on Friday was a minor, then MI doesn't get the go-ahead goal and the game remains tied in the 3rd.

The missed offsides wasn't even close. The MI player didn't even toe drag b/c he was too far offsides to even attempt it. But unless he was offsides, the MI player would not have been able to receive the pass and it would've been icing. And it led to a goal (and a minor penalty when our review failed b/c it was in a camera blind spot that didn't capture puck/blue line/MI player in a single image). In a game that was decided by a single goal that blown call 100% made a difference.

It was absurd that we received a minor penalty for

challenging the blatant offsides when they didn't have the correct camera angle to confirm or not! They should have actually penalized Michigan for their incompetence in not having all the required camera views!