In reply to: Both undefeated regular seasons were badly tarnished posted by ShermanOaksND
Or Louisville and West Virginia to hang with Florida and Georgia.
Plenty of under sized teams beat the SEC in the Sugar Bowl even though the Big East champion was disappointed not to be playing for the national title.
Cinci team would have played for the NC against Alabama - yikes.
than you or I did. Even at that, the bowl was much worse than predicted. Florida led 37-3 early in the third quarter; the final 25 minutes were purely garbage time.
I think 2009 and 2012 validate each other and weaken the argument that either of those were flukes. It's not a huge thing but it's something.
It shows that he's capable of occasional seasons where we'll get an at bat in the playoff. Of course he's also capable of 4-5 loss regular seasons more often than not. Both things are true and there's no need for anybody to place an asterisk next to one data point or the other.
In any event, the larger point is that those seasons are far outnumbered by the 4 years of 4-5 losses under Kelly at ND. Such seasons are now clearly established as the norm for him. Occasional exceptions aren't good enough. Davie, Willingham and Weis aren't judged solely by their comparably occasional 9-3 or 10-3 seasons, and rightfully so.