Our biggest advantage is our name and tradition
by ShermanOaksND (2014-12-05 13:59:05)
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  In reply to: What are ND's 5 biggest limitations & 5 biggest advantages? *  posted by Bruno95



which go hand-in-hand. Also in the top 5 are quality of education combined with an institutional commitment to make sure each player graduates, great football facilities, strong alumni network, and quality of the student body (although the make-up is quite different from years past).

Our biggest weakness, far and away, is the lack of a deep institutional commitment to striving for national championships. It's disappointing and perhaps telling that none of the posts I saw before writing this one even mentioned that. It's the pink elephant in the living room.

Other weaknesses, all of which could be overcome if the top one were corrected, include ResLife, academic standards which limit the available talent pool (although not overly so), geography (which includes lousy, dreary weather and lack of proximity to the biggest recruiting hotbeds), and recent lack of success (which flows from lack of institutional commitment, but is a separate drawback which cuts against our greatest strength).


Lack of deep institutional commitment.
by FourLeafDomer  (2014-12-05 15:37:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

What do you mean by that?

What does deep institutional commitment look like?


"Striving for national championships"
by ShermanOaksND  (2014-12-05 15:55:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It would be ludicrous to think that ND had winning national championships anywhere on the radar screen when it hired Davie and Willingham. Nor do I believe such aspirations were paramount when ND hired Weis and Kelly. Those points will do for starters; I have to leave for an appellate argument now.


How was the institutional commitment different in Holtz era?
by rockmcd  (2014-12-05 16:26:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

We know that Holtz was a great coach. What were the institional differences between then and now that helped him to succeed?


The commitment declined during Holtz's era
by ShermanOaksND  (2014-12-05 18:34:22)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The impact became clear in 1994. The administration overreacted to criticisms of incidents such as tunnel fights with Miami in 1988 and USC in 1989, and started reining in Holtz soon thereafter. Ultimately, ND forced Holtz out altogether and replaced him with an assistant who had no realistic hope of leading ND to a national championship.

Jenkins has been an improvement over Malloy, but we're not back to where we were under Hesburgh.


I think it might be simpler than that.
by GMatous  (2014-12-05 19:30:15)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Maybe nobody in the administration or athletic department knows how to determine who would excel and how to recruit that person.

I think personally somebody like you ( I mean that sincerely) would do a way better job. You know the exact criteria, significant head coaching experience at the NFL or power conference level and coaching philosophy that is mandatory here to excel.


Thanks. What changes still have not been undone?
by rockmcd  (2014-12-05 18:56:43)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Were the academic entrance requirements looser under Holtz 1986-1993 than they are today?

Was the academic load once they got to ND looser from 1986-1993 than it is today?

Did ResLife run a looser ship with athletes from 1986-1993 than it does today?

Would Holtz's players from 1986-1993 have been suspended for the same shenanigans that kept those 5 guys off the field this season?

Anything else?

I know there are some things today that show more commitment than 1986-1993, such as training table and the Gug. But those things might be a wash if all the other schools have improved in those areas as well.


Another disadvantage concerning academics
by 84david  (2014-12-05 14:28:55)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

is more than just admission. Some kids just want to major
in football and parties. Why go to ND where you have to
take 12 hours of real classes plus summer school while you
can go to USC Michigan or Ohio st and take one class in ballroom dancing
or golf to stay eligible?

They have national programs, nice facilities, and a ton of dough too,
without the pain of college level coursework.


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