Good post, I hope you are right. An honest question ...
by DrunkenIrishPoet (2024-04-05 14:12:57)

In reply to: Events are conspiring for ND  posted by SEE


I don't follow recruiting closely. We are in Year 3 with Freeman. How much better is recruiting under Freeman as compared to recruiting under Kelly? It seems better but I am not sure how much better.

There were some good posts by Moff and others about the recruiting prowess of Vinny Cerrato, but as I recall, Holtz was easily our best recruiter on his staff at the time and was considered among the best in the country, particularly when he got into a recruit's home. Is Freeman near that level?

Thank you.


Freeman has upgraded the talent with his recruiting efforts
by Jvan  (2024-04-05 15:07:23)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

SEE is correct in that the transfer portal has helped, but those spots must be recruited as well.

This year's team is loaded with talent and depth. It will go as far as the offensive line will allow.

One measure of recruiting is at quarterback. With CJ Carr in 2024, Deuce Knight in 2025 and either Brady Hart or Noah Grubbs in 2026, ND is in a great spot.

Another measure is the number of five star players. Freeman is not there yet. The SEC still dominates that area along with Ohio State. The question is whether we can win a championship with only modest success in this area.

I'd like to think it's possible. You need good coaching, chemistry, leadership and a quarterback. ND has all those things. I'm reminded of what Nick Saban, the king of five star recruiting, said in discussing his retirement. His wife asked him, "Why are we still doing this?". The question was prompted by the fact that five star players and recruits were less interested in how they were going to be developed than how much they were going to get paid.

Sure, Notre Dame has a good NIL program to compensate its players, but money is not the primary reason recruits come to South Bend. The best players aren't going to leave for a bigger payday. That's why Freeman should be able to build cohesive and competitive teams. The only area where the lack of five star players could hold him back (now that QB is fixed) is along the defensive line. Outstanding pass rushers and interior wrecking balls are one element that may always be lacking. This year we're using a deep rotation of high energy guys, but there are no NFL first rounders in that mix.


Great thoughts, info. *
by Newt  (2024-04-09 21:02:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Excellent post. DL is always a challenge. *
by irishhawk49  (2024-04-07 13:59:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Thank you! *
by DrunkenIrishPoet  (2024-04-05 20:41:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Great post! *
by drmurray  (2024-04-05 15:57:27)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Encouraging thoughts JVAN. Thanks! *
by Freight Train  (2024-04-05 15:38:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


It is better than Kelly's but still not good enough
by mocopdx  (2024-04-05 15:01:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

We are doing a better job with the top 50-250, but we're still woefully behind on getting the truly elite recruits. Our best bet at this rate is to hope we can build a program like Michigan did. We certainly won't be able to go the Bama/OSU/Georgia route unless something changes.


I'd rather ND not resort to espionage and sign stealing.
by cmhirish  (2024-04-05 18:41:40)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I know you were making a point about talent, but their season should never be used as any sort of an example to be emulated.

Harbaugh is a cheat and a coward. He was suspended for 6 games, 3 games self-imposed by Michigan and 3 more by the conference. He bolted for the NFL to avoid further investigation. Their achievements are forever tainted and should forever be framed in that context.


The new CFP is another reason that path isn't replicable
by gordonbombay  (2024-04-06 18:34:10)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

No more will a team like UM get to play 2 real teams all year long and then get piss lucky to dodge the acknowledged most talented team because they lost 1 game and fell out of the CFP.


This needs to be written in stone * *
by graNDfan  (2024-04-05 19:36:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post