ND + ACC + Big 12 + G5 should call SEC/Big10’s bluff
by combodraw (2024-02-29 21:49:17)

In reply to: Surprised no one is talking about this. 14 team playoff  posted by ndstein04


These two mega conferences are likely threatening to leave the NCAA and start their own mega league and want everyone else to bend over and take whatever is being offered. Call the bluff, let them go.

The new Big10/SEC basketball tournament isn’t going to be watched by too many people aside from alums of the participating schools. The NCAA tournament will remain a multi billion dollar enterprise.

ESPN isn’t going to pay the same money for a football playoff that’s only Big10/SEC. I have a strong feeling that these two conferences will be quite disappointed at the bottom line if they form their own league.


I don't see how the ACC can negotiate any of these things
by VaDblDmr  (2024-03-01 15:39:47)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

until their exposure re FSU, and Clemson, Miami, and UNC, by extension, is determined. FSU's lawsuit is non-frivolous, which the ACC well knows.


I think non-frivolous is a stretch
by gregmorrissey  (2024-03-01 16:32:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

If it was truly non-frivolous, wouldn't Clemson and North Carolina already have joined or filed suits of their own?

Going from memory, but isn't the only real issue regarding the extension of the exercise date on the media option? Wouldn't the ACC still control the conference member media rights to negotiate a new media agreement even if ESPN opted to not exercise their option?


What incentive would Clemson, et al. have to join if FSU is
by VaDblDmr  (2024-03-01 17:58:33)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

doing the work for them? Plus, not joining preserves their relationship with the ACC, such as it is.

IMO, FSU has a reasonable chance at having the court modify the GOR to 2026, which I would guess is their real hope.


The other conferences have no leverage
by y2wolv  (2024-03-01 12:42:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Football drives these decisions.

If it wasn't, Kansas would have been on the first bus out of the B12, not stuck despite multiple rounds of realignment affecting the B12.

Even assuming basketball mattered, while I don't disagree that a B1G/SEC basketball tournament won't be some massive draw, the NCAA tournament would take an enormous financial hit if the B1G and SEC weren't in it.

However the other schools have no leverage in football. If the B1G and SEC entered in some alternate format where their champs played every year that would effectively relegate the rest of college football to a step above G5 status. The few remaining schools that are attractive to those two leagues would likely immediately bolt further cementing the leftovers in the ACC and B12 as second tier.


If bending over for the B10/SEC means $1.00 more
by doolinbanjos  (2024-03-01 10:51:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

ND, the ACC, and the Big 12 will gladly place their elbows on the table.


So will this work like IndyCar and Cart?
by Leeroy_Jenkins  (2024-03-01 07:16:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Both have their own championship? In reality the Big 10/SEC would be division 1 and everyone else would be division 2. There is a zero percent chance that ND would be in division 2. ND will go where the money is.


Two P5 leagues
by SEE  (2024-02-29 23:01:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Interesting


That would show them *
by ACross  (2024-02-29 22:59:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


What's your solution?
by combodraw  (2024-03-01 09:01:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

My point is that I don't think Big10/SEC will actually follow through and that they are bluffing. They'd lose too much money over the long run to split the sport up.

It looks like there's only two real options. Capitulate and take the shitty 14-team CFP deal the heavily favors the power 2, or dig in and draw the line somewhere reasonable.

What would you suggest? Going back in time and having someone other than Swarbrick in charge over the past 10 years while this deck was set is not an option at this point.


Show leadership *
by ACross  (2024-03-01 20:53:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


The P2 would be wise to take the money now
by Wooderson  (2024-03-01 13:46:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and then start the super league at the end of the CFP contract.

Givesyou time to get all the ducks in a row, and you can boot the IU/Vandy/Northwestern teams out and pick up the best of the remaining teams for a 32-40 team Super League, including ND.

Oh, and we'd be forced to take that or leave it, if we wanted to stay relevant, otherwise we may as well go Ivy League at that point (which some folks seem ok with).


Don't kid yourself, there wasn't anyone changing this
by gregmorrissey  (2024-03-01 13:01:41)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'm no fan of Swarbrick, but name me an active AD, school president, business executive, coach, or anyone anywhere working in the last twenty years that has shown the ability to get an entire industry to forego profit.