Why does our staff focus on something other than winning?
“Winning is not a sometime thing…it’s an all the time thing. You don’t win once in a while…you don’t do the right thing once in a while…you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit.”
“Show me a good loser, and I’ll show you a loser.”
“Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”
“The objective is to win: fairly, squarely, decently, win by the rules, but still win.”
“A team that thinks it’s going to lose is going to lose.”
“To the winner, there is 100-percent elation, 100-percent fun, 100-percent laughter; and yet the only thing left to the loser is resolution and determination.”
“Second place is meaningless. You can’t always be first, but you have to believe that you should have been – that you were never beaten – that time just ran out on you.” - Vince Lombardi
So whatever happened to "WINNING at ND?" When you use phrases like "in the conversation" "no reason we can't compete" you are making COMPETING the goal.
WIN the game. The next game. Every game. Our goal is to WIN each and every game.
Unfortunately, he's also not dating Miss Congeniality.
"He doesn’t want to give Kelly a chance at the playoffs. He wants to give him chances.
The reinvestment in Kelly and his staff this winter – new offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, special teams coordinator and strength coach – was not made under threat of a one-year ultimatum.
“We had a decision to make at the end of last year,” Swarbrick told Irish Illustrated. “We made a decision to go long.
“You can’t attract the people that we attracted if they’re worried that it’s a one-year experiment. We’re looking for progress. We want to be better this year, but (also) clearly see a trajectory where we’re going to get back to national championship contention. Everything I see now gives me great encouragement that we’re on that road."
We're entering year 8, and we're still "down the road" and playing the long game, to get to our goals.
By the time Kelly reaches the end of this proverbial new road (and most likely still hasn't delivered us a title), he'll become the longest tenured coach in ND history with the most wins. Everyone needs to think long and hard about this. Kelly could become our "greatest" or "winningest" coach of all time, all while never coming close to winning a title at ND.
Games Coached at ND
Holtz - 132
Rockne - 122
Parseghian - 116
Leahy - 107
Kelly - 90
If Kelly makes 3 straight bowl games, he'll pass Holtz during the 2020 season for most games coached in ND history. He'll pass Leahy next year, he'll tie Ara after 2018, and pass Ara and Rock during the 2019 season.
If he averages 8 wins a year (his current average), he'd pass Rockne and Holtz during the 2022 season. He'll pass Leahy during the 2020 season and Ara during the 2021 season. While that seems a long way out, he'd pass Leahy in 3 seasons after this one.
If he averages 10-3
He'll pass Leahy in 2019, Ara in 2020, Lou and Rockne in 2021
Those seem like they are long off. They are not.
*** this assume we win our appeal on some technicality about being an athletic department employee who isn't a tutor versus one who is.
I mean funny. I mean accurate.
Instead of carved, polished granite it will be a first-of-its-kind memorial, purple-faced, visor-topped hologram stalking up and down an ersatz sideline reconstructed within the Rex and Alice Martin Digital Media Center at Corbett Family Hall at Notre Dame Stadium at Crossroads.
And there will be colored smoke for effect. Lots and lots of colored smoke.
Get used to it.
That Savvy Jack never had a plan B.
I never thought of things working out that way, but it is entirely possible. And by that time my interest in ND football would be long gone
Championship." This was the line that the character playing Coach Parseghian in the movie, "Rudy", told Rudy in the scene where Rudy goes in to speak to him. We are a LONG way from those days.
Act like it!
Can't implies an actual limitation. Won't implies choice. We CAN compete. We just make choices not to.
Apparently the bar has been moved downwards to fit the performance.
In private enterprise they fire people for that, Jack.
In the secular world they fire people for that, Father.
Our Board of Trustees should be experienced enough that they know this already. One wonders where they are.
Fucking three ring circus, without the rings.
Has anyone noticed how Kelly never even mentions playing for or winning a national title as a goal at ND anymore?
At least the first few years at ND--he constantly talked about playing for and winning a national title. It came up a lot in his PC's and when talking about recruiting.
That all seemed to disappear after the debacle against Alabama and his dalliance with the Eagles.
It's his bosses job to make sure they have a coach with an eye on the goal(national title) and the ability to achieve it. But that's a huge part of the problem too. Kelly's bosses don't give a fuck about winning championships either.
And I bet you could find a very recent quote from him.
His effort on the job doesn't approach what is needed to achieve a high level of success. Mediocrity reigns.
but to state that he never talks about Championships and the playoffs is wrong. It's commonly mentioned and the playoff schedule and championship game are even hanging in the lockerroom every year.
whole lot without the talent, expertise, and luck (good breaks at opportune times) to go with it. Through the years many of us have spent as many hours on the rockpile as is humanly possible but all of that dedicated effort have only made us better at being mediocre. We still keep pushing the rock though as one day we might find (and UNDERSTAND) the secret.
When he spoke at our club event in May he did in fact talk about competing for NC's. He also stated they needed to be much better immediately. In no way did he leave the impression that he has a multi-year grace period to turn this around. He also took full blame for last year.
talk is cheap but he said all of the right things. I think those who believe he is not on the hot seat from the administration are wrong despite what Jack is publicly saying.
I really can't see those coaches going to ND without some promise of multiple years. Of course, if that's the case, every coach in America is on the hot seat.
Swarbrick has tied himself at the hip to Kelly. If we see another shit show of a season, they'll both be gone. The BOD would have to make a move.
Otherwise, I'd be shocked if they made a move given the hiring of quality/up-and-coming assistants. Those guys didn't make the move for 1 year, and Swarbrick himself has said so. Pretty much a cut and dry case for multiple years in my mind.
With the hot seat thing, at least.
I've heard some things from a couple of people that I trust (yes it's all rumor) that Kelly has 1 more year to get it done
I will repeat, what I have been told is all rumor mill fluff. However, the individuals that told me this have been fairly reliable in the past. So, basically, 60% of the time it works every time
The only thing that would make sense to me is that Jack was open to change last year, but there was no demand for Kelly and the buyout was too big. I could conceivably see Jack trying to puff up the value of Kelly so Kelly has an 8-5 season and some program will take him off our hands.
I had that hope shortly after the SC game. But based on the complete jackassery of his public comments, the smug contempt for alumni dissension, and the misplaced institutional priorities and excuses for failure throughout the Kelly-era, that hope expired.
"Preseason Predicted Regular Season Record: 7-5
For a while it’ll look like the Irish will be in for something special, and they’ll be just good enough at times to tease. But they’ll alternate big wins with losses, dropping a date to NC State after beating USC, and losing to Miami and Stanford in November. You are what your record is, but they’ll be better than 7-5.
– ND Preview | ND Won’t Win CFP, But You Knew That"
he indicated a strong sense of urgency; i.e. we need to get this fixed in 2017, not three years from now. We can all debate what admin/jack would find to be significant improvement. But it would be wrong to think that Kelly is feeling comfortable.
He also knows there were large numbers that wanted him fired.I am reasonably sure so does Jack. These guys hear from large numbers of people. To think they are immune to what folks such as those who post here are saying defies logic.
and concluding from that statement that he's been told by Swarbrick his job is in jeopardy based upon this year's results. Is that a fair statement?
And what makes you think Swarbrick or Kelly are in any way affected by the people who want them both to go? You say it defies logic, but it is what has actually happened. Swarbrick last year openly mocked the Observer ads. In fact, he's been sandbagging already with his "long term" comments and how they've committed to the new assistants. You're drawing a conclusion from some coachspeak Kelly threw out to the alumni club that his job is in trouble.
I was hoping you actually had something more tangible that you'd heard from the inside because just going off Kelly's comments ain't much.
I still can't believe he talked to the Iggles with the NC game on the line. Donald Jr move.
But Kelly knows he's in over his head when it comes to his coaching abilities.
What does this say to our prospects of ever attracting a high caliber coach?
I think they would see a Meyer or Saban caliber head coach as a threat to the stranglehold on power that they now have. Kelly or slightly better is exactly what they want, someone with a winning record that can be controlled and manipulated at will. A coach that pulls in NC's doesn't fit that bill.
Happens all the time in the business world. Smart people hire and promote smart (and even smarter) people all the time. They are the one's who are generally more successful.
Shitty managers refuse promote smart(er) folks for fear that they'll somehow diminish them. Generally, shitty managers are doomed to failure.
He doesn't work hard but faces no consequences. He also gave ND the bird with regard to negotiating his buyout. Kelly is the one who is controlling the situation, not ND.
Good thing ND avoided hiring a top shelf coach who would've walked all over the admin and turn the employer-employee relationship on its head.
Bullet dodged, I guess.
is the assistant coaches.
Not one part of me believes that shanty mick wanted BVG gone last year.
...but not why we keep throwing good money after bad.
Who the hell would want to coach at this shit show.
Nicely done, Jack. Own it, you smug POS.
on the offensive side of the ball stays away from Kelly.
his staff, however I guess your info puts a different light on things. the Savvy one has a tiger by the tail when it comes to contracts and money.
Why in the hell would someone just want to be mediocre? At Notre Dame? And then be able to get away with it?
He knows he'll never get another big money deal, so he's going to milk the one he has.
The conversation was short.
...to his rich legacy of self-centered turdliness.
So too his meathead agent