particularly in Oct and Nov, is not accomplished by a team that is poorly conditioned.
I'll take the greater number of data points every time.
I don't even know why that would be an issue.
Longo's job is to get the guys ready to play on Saturday's in the fall; he did a good job of that this year from all accounts.
It is disappointing that our guys are not running/lifting better but I don't think we should all feel the need to burn down someone else's house just because ours isn't looking so good now.
Timing and testing is on the players, not on Longo or Kelly. If Kelly doesn't win enough games, Longo will be gone. If Longo doesn't get the players to their maximum strength/endurance/whatever, Kelly won't win enough games.
is somehow at fault and that despite the strides ND has made on the field, they are still lacking in the S&C department.
I am simply stating that I do not believe that to be the case.
I think JVan alluded to it but I don't see anyone else. I see multiple posts prior to JVan that try to get out in front of the news and defend the coaches before anyone said anything, but I don't see much else.
I might be mistaken. In either event, the staff's job is to get the best players, to get those players prepared to play via S and C, and then to put those players in the best position to be successful on game day. That creates game tape that will hopefully be very favorable for our players. How our players test out at the combine is on them.
construed that way. I didn't really take it that way.
I think it's just SEE trying to get out in front of the news again.
When I saw your subject line of "A picture is forming here" (post linked below), I assumed you meant that Longo and his vaunted S&C program were failing and read the post content with that preconception. On a second reading with no preconception, though, I think it was pretty clear that you were directly stating something very different - the combine results paint a picture that despite our progress, our roster still has a talent deficit versus the top teams. That's a pretty reasonable point, and in fact it might indirectly say exactly the opposite thing about Longo - that the exceptional results on the field last year are a credit to his program given that he perhaps has less raw material to work with.
Of course, it's all really the usual off-season tempest in a teapot. I'm disappointed in Te'o's time and Motta's lifts, but it's really not that big a deal. They'll both get a mulligan at the ND pro day and they'll both still get drafted. And ND football will carry on.
There's a slew of folks out there who read a lot of posts on the boards here with plenty of preconceptions.
On both sides I think there's a tendency to hang preconceived and absolute conclusions from such gossamer thread as subject lines and fuzzy memory of a poster's history. Of course, some poster's reputations are well-earned and in fact cultivated by their holders, but that's another story. I know I've fallen many times into the trap of already forming an angry reply on reading a subject line before even clicking into the post. I'm working on staying neutral until I read the full thing, even for some of those reputation types.
Perhaps the most accurate comment the Chicago Trib has made on anything ND-related in many a year was to call this board "uproariously over-caffeinated." Many would do well to lift their fingers from the keys for several seconds before firing off a reply, myself included.
EDIT: I just realized a bit of irony in the fact that I opened my post with "On both sides" - I've already preconceived two buckets to place people into, at the very beginning of a post in which I lament confirmation bias and divisiveness. Frailty, thy name is self.
basd on said preconcrption. After all the facts come often, they think the exact same thing.
NFL. Instincts, as the scouts were saying, are more important than a 40 time at ILB.
To your point, Eifert wasn't slow. Wood wasn't slow. Last year, Smith wasn't slow and neither was Floyd.
We weren't slower and weaker than Oklahoma, Michigan, Stanford, etc., we beat most of those teams on strength.
One thing about Longo, he doesn't care about maxing out on the bench. That may show up in testing.
unless you are a sophomore or junior in high school.
bench or 40 times and that's likely to show up, in some form, in testing.
Of course, it could have no relevance whatsoever.
when it comes to the NFL combine.
you just jumped in.
should I have assumed you meant it for someone else entirely?
care much about convincing you when you're on a posting binge.