shrinkage
by vivaflanner (2013-02-26 02:02:53)
Edited on 2013-02-26 16:30:43
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I was kind of surprised to see that Manti was only 6'1 241, after seeing him listed at 6'2 255 for his junior year and 248 last year. I'm guessing the height was rounding up, but do people think ND added 10-15 lbs as well?

Seems like the other ND combine participants weights were within a couple of pounds of what ND had been reporting, so I am guessing that Manti did weigh over 250 at times at ND and has dropped quite a bit of weight both since season end and particularly since 2011, then I thought he looked a bit heavy.

I wonder what sort of time he would have run at 250+?

6'1 241 and 4.82 suffers a bit in comparison to Kuechly from BC last year who ran a 4.58 at 6'3 243.

I understand that sprinting is best done when relaxed, and while every guy there must feel a lot of pressure, Manti had to be under even more pressure than most, coming off the press conf. Hopefully he can perform better at ND pro day




He's slow (we already knew that)
by BeijingIrish  (2013-02-26 12:12:33)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

He was overweight for much of his ND career. He was missing-in-action in the biggest game of his life. Finally, 2-down ILBs are a dime a dozen. If he goes in the 2nd round, he will have been fortunate.

We applaud him for the role he played, for his loyalty, all those things. We wish him well, but do we need to obsess about his 40 time? Let's talk about other interesting stuff like bench press reps.


he was in the pool *
by wncirish  (2013-02-26 08:14:56)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


NFL scouts know about shrinkage, right? *
by DakotaDomer  (2013-02-26 10:24:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


They shrink? *
by ZAHMHALL77  (2013-02-26 11:19:48)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


He was probably on a diet trying to get a little faster.
by LastDon  (2013-02-26 03:00:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

An inch is an inch. Embellishing height seems pretty standard. From 248 in August to 241 now though, I don't see anything remarkable. It was widely reported that he dropped some weight to get quicker before his senior year, so the 255 to 248 change in consistent. Another seven pounds doesn't seem unreasonable. Depending on water, I can fluctuate six or seven pounds in a given day. In Manti's case, we're talking about several months.

As for the size/speed dynamic, I guess it would be nice if he were a little faster. Apparently he's not.


You can fluctuate 6-7 pounds within a given day? *
by bdogg  (2013-02-26 09:15:59)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Not on a typical day, but yes, occasionally.
by LastDon  (2013-02-26 10:40:06)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

With a lot of carbs and water retention, I'll go up by 3-4 pounds. Then, assuming I work out hard and don't eat many carbs the next day, I'll piss out a lot more water and drop 3 pounds below where I started.


When I eat Mexican, yes *
by coachslacker  (2013-02-26 09:56:26)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


But I would think that good technique can ...
by thethinman  (2013-02-26 07:33:30)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

compensate for lack of speed.


Good technique and good play recognition
by mooneytostle  (2013-02-26 11:38:10)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Manti does seem to have an above average ability to sniff out certain plays before they develop (e.g. can't remember watching another linebacker who recognizes a screen play quicker than Manti).


Not in the NFL
by SWPaDem  (2013-02-26 08:00:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

And not against the best teams in college football either


Not sure lack of speed had much to do with his
by Rosecrea  (2013-02-26 09:03:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

poor performance in the NC game.


You have to be very quick to fend off blockers
by SWPaDem  (2013-02-26 09:20:36)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and square up against a great runner like Lacy.



And not over-commit too.


Warning
by sweeney's73  (2013-02-26 11:17:34)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

watch at your own risk.


Quick and fast are different variables.
by ndroman21  (2013-02-26 10:01:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Teo's cone drill time was fine. His straight line speed was disappointing. I wasn't surprised, as he has never struck me as being particularly fast.

I guess we'll see how it affects his draft stock.


Later he said he was disappointed it wasn't in the 4.5's.
by ProV1x  (2013-02-26 10:30:32)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Let's say he does run a 4.5 at ND. Do they take an average?


They'll consider all of the information they have.
by ndroman21  (2013-02-26 10:41:00)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

A sub 4.7 at ND's pro day would certainly help allay some concerns, but I don't think that yesterday's results will be completely ignored.

It raises questions about his ability to stay with a TE/RB in coverage and to work sideline to sideline in the NFL, I would think.


I truly believe Manti would have done better if he were only
by ProV1x  (2013-02-26 15:37:41)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

a face in the crowd instead of the main attraction. Again, I'm speculating but I believe he'll be a force on the field once he gets the circus in his rear view mirror.

As far as Motta goes I don't have a clue why he was so far off. It seems to me it's deeper than just a bad day or he doesn't test well.


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