He slips to the end of the second round and New England drafts him. He sits for Brady's last three years and then he takes over. He would be ruined if he was drafted by a terrible team at the top of the first round and then thrown in as a starter. I am routing for him to be drafted by NE.
“Name a college quarterback who goes into the game-plan meetings on Monday and throws his notes at the coaches,” Kizer said.
in the 3rd round, Nathan Peterman has passed him.
I felt like quite a bit of that was fueled by rumors and hearsay as well, and I'd say the Cowboys were the primary beneficiaries of him slipping down the charts.
This year I'd wager some team will snag Kizer up at a great discount and I wouldn't put it past them to be a bit of the instigators in this whole thing as well. The Chiefs sudden enthusiasm for the Texas Tech guy who is shorter and more spastic than Kizer reeks of BS to me, for example, and now some team will move up to snag him "while they still can" and leave Kizer sitting around for a more patient team.
He may very well be the #1 QB on a half dozen teams' boards.
Kelly generally praised him, but said he should have stayed. That is consistent with what pretty much every respected analyst has said. I also don't think if Kelly had said Kizer was perfect that anyone would have believed him.
to erase everything a QB knows about offense and start over from scratch.
Each of Kizer's main competitors (Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes, and Webb) this year played in a spread, and rarely called plays in a huddle, audibled or changed protections on his own, made whole-field reads, or took a snap from under center.
They all face steep learning curves and have little tape that's relatable to most NFL offenses.
But I'm sure the NFL wonders about Kizer's physical habits and psyche, and whether Kelly's irreparably harmed him in either respect.
protections and reads, coupling it with what they see on tape and in person about how they throw the ball to all levels of the field, from various release points, with touch and on a rope and coming up with a pretty good profile.
That they don't like how Deshone did some of those things last year - compared to some of the other prospects, including the late surge of Mahomes - shouldn't be terribly surprising. He might be in that top 5 group, but somebody has to be 4/5 and it might be Kizer.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
But its wretchedness stems partly from the un-spread-like, pseudo-professional burden it places on the QB.
Kizer and his predecessors have all had a lot more on their plate, pre- and post-snap, than many of their collegiate counterparts, and certainly more than the guys running the Air Raid stuff at Cal and Texas Tech, or the run-based spreads at Oregon, OSU and Clemson.
So, in some ways, Kizer will actually be more prepared, in that he will at least recognize what NFL teams are doing and teaching. But the why and the how and the when may be all mixed up in his head.
Some of these guys are blank slates.
Kizer is not. There's a foundation there, but it's wobbly, and may require a complete tear down.
One of many inherent flaws in Kelly's system (and it isn't necessarily unique to his system, but but just particularly true of his system), is that the "checks" are dependent on defensive "looks" at the line of scrimmage (as read by the coaching staff. The problem is, the defensive coaches know exactly what plays Kelly tends to switch into if presented with certain looks, so they set him and the QB up for failure.
In other words, the advantage of many spread offenses is that they keep the defenses on their heels and dictate to the defense with the speed of play and frequency of play. Kelly's system is reactive and herky jerky and palsied.
Yes, Clemson and Oregon and others can and do go super up-tempo a few series each game, and run a handful of plays at warp speed, and try not to change the play before the snap. And - to me - they're most fun to watch when they're doing that (and the offensive players, and o-linemen in particular, seem to enjoy that the most).
But, on most series, and in most spreads, they are (rapidly) signaling in the plays from the sideline; doing a quick dummy count; turning to the sideline for a possible check, based on the defense's reaction to the dummy count; and then proceeding with or changing the play, based on signals from the sideline.
We - of course: rarely if ever go up-tempo; almost exclusively try to ensure we're in the "best" play, given the defensive alignment; and put at least some of the onus for making that determination and change on the QB. We also do all of that slowly, predictably, and then frantically and ineffectively.
We agree on the overarching point: Kelly's spread system is the suckiest of the spreads.
It is somehow both too complex (for the QB), and too predictable; too slow and too chaotic; too soft and too risky.
It wastes and breaks players and - with the exception of 2015 - has never been anything approaching a Top 25 offense, in any meaningful category.
Gruden actually rated Kizer as being similar to Aaron Rodgers. Gruden actually said he is a #1 draft pick that needs to be a backup for a few years the same way Aaron Rodgers and some others were.
He said if you are into metrics, this is your guy. What that means is draft this guy #1 so you get him before someone else does, because he can be a franchise QB if you are willing to wait two years with him backing up another QB.
Gruden was speaking to teams like the Steelers -- who can wait 2 years, but when Big Ben retires they need a rock star QB to step in. That is by definition what Kizer is.
Some falsely translate what Gruden said into he's not a first round QB. No. He said he isn't a QB you draft and start year one. Don't confuse that with meaning he is not a first round QB. Heck, Big Ben was drafted first round and the Steelers expected to sit him for at least one year. He only played his rookie year because the starter got injured in the 2nd game of the season.
“I did like his obvious size and the strength of his arm is impressive,” Gruden said of Kizer. “Would I use a first round pick on him? Probably not. I don’t think the body of work is complete. There are some things that he’s got to resolve in terms of end-of-game situations, winning, there’s some things he’s still a little rough around the edges.
“From a talent standpoint he’s got a lot of ability. He’s athletic, he’s tough and he’s got a cannon for an arm. I do think I would probably have a hard time taking him in the first round this year.”
Kelly not only screwed up Kizer with his bullshit coaching--he threw him under the bus for all the NFL ears that are willing to listen.
If he had a decent coach, he would be using those gifts for ND again next year. Instead, he was coached by a purple headed dick.
Talented, smart, confident.
Kelly, on the other hand...
Michael Smith and Jemele Hill backed him saying something along the lines of "changing the narrative after the comments Kelly made".
McShay focused on Kizer's immaturity.
Todd is still a penis is a bad suit.