Description of brutal attack on student by Alabama players
by mkovac (2013-02-13 13:56:21)
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These players should never be able to play for Alabama again, if this account is true.


It was what God wanted...
by treisele  (2013-02-15 09:32:44)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

God, in the form of William's left arm, apparently.


Sounds like the victim is affraid of repercussions
by Zipherius  (2013-02-15 00:28:16)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I say this because he makes such an effort to say, I love Alabama Football and thatit won't change his perception of it & that he just wants to quietly go on with his student career. Knowing how seriously out of whack it is down there, he does have legitimate concern that he will be ostracized.


I see nothing in the article that shows any fear. The
by BAC69  (2013-02-15 09:26:55)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

victim simply says he continues to love the U of A. What is wrong with that? Wouldn't you continue to love ND--assuming you love it in the first place--even if you got mugged by an ND student or ND player? What does one thing have to do with another unless the University ignored the crime, which they haven't.


Anyone else here
by IrishRed  (2013-02-13 23:47:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

remember a case several years back in which a female student at Alabama was allegedly raped, but didn't file charges after talking to her parents. Paraphrasing what I remember, but her father said something like it was a misunderstanding and it was a "consensual" encounter. At the end of his statement to the press he said "Roll Tide"...


Wow. That sad. *
by irishhawk49  (2013-02-14 11:24:50)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


That's my recollection as well *
by charlottend  (2013-02-14 10:43:04)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Can someone explain Orange shirting? *
by Inigomontoya  (2013-02-13 22:20:32)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


are you being facetious? *
by okerland  (2013-02-14 00:04:54)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Perhaps obtuse. Is this similar to Gray shirting? Is Saban
by Inigomontoya  (2013-02-14 23:00:05)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

perhaps behind these recent events in order to expand the roster. If (and of course when) acquitted, he can bring the more talented players back and displace others.

I understand a number of the schools in SEC has implemented this strategy to boost the shadow rosters by 15+ percent.


THUGS!!! ... YES ...... THUGS!!!
by gadomer  (2013-02-13 18:03:04)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

According to SDT, they were members of the Bush Administration.

Yeah, I couldn't resist.


This poor kid will probably get hate mail from fans *
by whitefieldwarrior  (2013-02-13 16:55:09)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


JoePa would have them clean the stadium *
by ND Trumpet  (2013-02-13 16:31:35)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


4 fewer roster moves for Saban to have to make. *
by NCIrish  (2013-02-13 16:20:11)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Try to imagine what they haven't been caught for..... *
by cj  (2013-02-13 16:16:11)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


it was just a matter of chance
by Final_Flanner  (2013-02-13 15:48:12)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Despite his injuries and the alleged involvement of the Tide players, Jurgens said the incident wasn't going to alter his view of his school's football program.

“This was just a matter of chance. I'm still gonna love Alabama football. I just want to deal with this case, move on with my life,” Jurgens said. “I just want to get on with my education. I want to continue being happy here. I was happy here before, and I will continue being happy here.”


ND offered Williams (link)
by mnirish25  (2013-02-13 14:34:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


You wonder how hard ND recruited this kid though.
by norseman  (2013-02-13 19:17:01)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I'm sure they offered him, as did a ton of other schools. Even though it only shows 5 actual offers on this Rivals link, something's awry. No way dozens of other schools didn't offer him. ND seems to be showing up here as if to suggest it was down between these schools. Was it? Someone with more recruiting knowledge than me could correct me... An attack this level though (depending on the kids involvement), there had to have been previous incidents coming up in the recruiting process that would have suggested this type of behavior in the future. No doubt he's talented. I feel like ND would stay away from this type of character. Listen to some interviews of our freshmen. We can't know who they really are but they appear outwardly to be "RKGs." Despite an offer, it would come to pass that ND just wouldn't be the place for this Williams scoundrel and that the school he chose would be that type of place, the one that also appeals to three other now-known violent felons on the team.


I think one thing you're missing
by jerseyirish07  (2013-02-14 12:13:01)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

is the environment these players are in. I can't speak to what sort of an environment Alabama's players are given, but in my opinion Notre Dame does a tremendous job of providing an environment where this type of thing is very strongly discouraged.

That's not to say that that Alabama encourages or allows this sort of thing, but there are a lot of things at Notre Dame, from the academic expectations and support, to the integrated dorms (our players are not held separately or above the other students), at least not from a housing perspective), to the leadership on the team. There's a culture at Notre Dame, I think, that encourages positive interaction between athletes and other students.


dodged an artillery shell *
by humbaba  (2013-02-13 17:58:14)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Wow the kid was #1 at his position in the country and
by eriendfan  (2013-02-13 14:56:25)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

in the top thirty players in the country.

A great future down the drain.

I heard Reggie Brooks and Tony Rice talking to young people last night. They both repeated the statement that a college decision is a lifetime decision, not a four year decision.

I am not thinking he would be in this situation if he was at ND. Maybe he would be. Maybe my tinted glasses need to be removed.


Bad apples everywehre
by mnirish25  (2013-02-13 15:34:57)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

but when you sign 25-30 kids a year, the odds of getting one simply go up.


and good apples every where too
by Tex Francisco  (2013-02-13 17:41:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I think the number of good apples versus bad, however, establishes the culture for a group, and that culture can often affect the direction of the in-the-middle apples.


Now I'm hungry for an apple, dammit! *
by irishhawk49  (2013-02-14 11:31:50)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Agreed *
by Redbaron  (2013-02-13 21:49:42)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


The players weren't even charged with assault....
by JHND  (2013-02-13 14:18:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Gotta love the good ol' boy cops down there.


I don't know about Alabama, but here robbery is
by Burvey  (2013-02-13 16:41:19)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

much more serious charge than assault and battery.


Why wouldn't they charge them with both? *
by JHND  (2013-02-14 09:54:40)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


It's essentially subsumed w/in the definition
by YinzKeenanVisor  (2013-02-14 11:06:03)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Generally speaking, robbert is a taking by force. In Alabama, robbery is defined as a theft committed while armed w/ a dangerous weapon, or causing serious physical injury to another.


I don't think battery is subsumed within robbery
by IrishJosh24  (2013-02-15 20:39:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The definition you provided of robbery in Alabama is the definition of robbery in the first degree and appears to be most relevant here. The required intent for that charge is the intent to commit a theft. If you intend to commit a theft and cause injury (whether you intended to do so or not), it is robbery in the first degree.

To commit an assault in Alabama (AL apparently defines assault as most jurisdictions define "battery" and calls "menacing" what most jurisdictions call "assault"), the person who causes the injury must have *intended* to cause injury. Such an intent is not required for a robbery charge.

For assault to be a lesser included offense of robbery, robbery would have to require proof of each element required for assault and then more (i.e. the following would have to be true: if you committed a robbery, you *necessarily* committed assault). For example, if assault required A and B, and robbery required A, B, and C, assault would be a lesser included offense of robbery. But that is not true here. Robbery does not require proof of each element of assault, because it does not require intent to injure. Thus, one can commit robbery in the first degree without committing assault. For that reason, these individuals could be charged with both crimes.

Law nerd out.


That's why I said essentially
by YinzKeenanVisor  (2013-02-17 00:19:25)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

And why the DA has discretion.


I wonder if the victim, an Alabama student, refused to
by G.K.Chesterton  (2013-02-13 16:11:24)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

bring charges against players on his own team. Remember, he said he was a big Alabama fan. I am going to assume that rather than assuming somewhat more conspiratorial.


Here's the video of the victim meeting the Dean and Saban.
by cj  (2013-02-13 16:26:18)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Basically the opposite of the SBPD
by chezhdchick  (2013-02-13 16:00:37)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Down there, they turn the other cheek. Here, they see their name in the news for arresting an athlete. Cha-ching.


Tuscaloosa PD target students even worse than SBPD.
by WilfordBrimley  (2013-02-13 18:13:00)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I don't know how they are with athletes, but they really go out of their way to target students.


not only should they never play again they should spend
by abqgant  (2013-02-13 14:14:32)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

1-5 in jail.

In the good ole days, examples were made of punks like these.

Do the crime, get a bunch of time.

If Saban doesn't kick them out of the program, he's morally bankrupt.


I was expecting a link to the BCS title game recap. *
by CMillar  (2013-02-13 14:04:07)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Oh man. Glorious. *
by TJK1998  (2013-02-13 17:45:40)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


POtD *
by Dillon301  (2013-02-13 14:41:54)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


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