I hope when people hear us talk about the 40 year decision,
by dillon76 (2013-01-31 14:19:02)
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they realize that we are NOT just BSing.


Should we post links to former ND player arrests? *
by tenn_subway  (2013-01-31 15:57:35)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Our Lady's Lads would never commit a criminal act.
by Father Nieuwland  (2013-01-31 20:40:53)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

This only happens to those kind of people who attended those other schools.

Where is my grey poupon?


I know, right? We're like a mix of Miami and SMU *
by Mike Honcho  (2013-02-01 00:49:00)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


For armed robbery? None that I can think of *
by sprack  (2013-01-31 18:27:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


There was a frosh from 66 or 67 who killed his girlfriend
by odschool  (2013-02-01 08:23:37)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

and her mother. Eric Botcher (Gordon Tech) was marginally better. Thrown at after freshman year - 69/70. Shoplifted a 27" tv from the floor at robertsons. Went to a dance and stole the bands amps while they were on break. Was very brazen and would react with violence if confronted. Was murdered before he murdered someone.


There was a frosh from 66 or 67 who killed his girlfriend
by odschool  (2013-02-01 08:23:16)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

her mother


This is close enough (link)
by Deezy  (2013-02-01 00:07:51)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


No, but Javin Hunter, Kurt Vollers and Raki Nelson
by garbageplate  (2013-01-31 20:48:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

All committed some pretty serious crimes.


Move along - We're only throwing armed robbery stones today. *
by Father Nieuwland  (2013-01-31 20:59:14)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


1. Our shit doesn't stink. 2. We have Saul Goodman as our
by MistakenD  (2013-01-31 16:19:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

legal representation.

That's the 40 year decision.


That's not my tiger. *
by Porpoiseboy  (2013-01-31 17:09:34)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


It's all good, man. *
by idesofoctober  (2013-01-31 16:29:38)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


The commercial for new show on USA - Justin Tuck,
by VoisMan  (2013-01-31 14:47:48)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

is also another example. It's about him along with other players talking to kids about growing up. Justin was made fun of because he excelled at school.


I got hit with that too. I never understood why the cool
by dillon76  (2013-01-31 14:53:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

thing among many young black teens when I was growing up was to be stupid (and it's still that way to a certain extent today)!


It's not really just among black teens
by LondonDomer  (2013-01-31 15:38:52)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

being smart and "cool" don't often go together, for whites and blacks. Hence the nerd/geek/dweeb monikers. The smartest kids in high school are often (certainly not always) alienated by their peers.

I don't think its hard to figure out why though. Most people are of (by definition) average intelligence. If you are very intelligent, you are in the minority. People tend to alienate those that are different from them. I think it's a natural reaction by people who are of average (or below average) intelligence to respond to "smart" people by treating them badly, making fun of them, etc - out of jealousy/insecurity.


For males, not females. And if you play sports and
by Buck Mulligan  (2013-01-31 16:46:20)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

achieve academically, it is acceptable. I mean cool sports, like football or basketball. Tennis or golf aren't going to help a smart teen gent with coolness.

It's okay for chicks to be smart - does not affect social standing.

Shades of Adolescent Psychology 140. Or whatever the number was.


Yeah, hence all the Notre Dame girl jokes *
by beancounter  (2013-01-31 17:17:25)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


I know, right? *
by cv94  (2013-02-01 18:38:31)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Yup, same way in the Korean community
by sprack  (2013-01-31 15:58:49)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

OK, I made that one up.


It's not "to be stupid."
by pmac98  (2013-01-31 15:16:43)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

It's to not conform to "white culture" which happens to promote education upon education, degrees upon degrees.

I don't think black male teenagers see high school as teaching them anything worthwhile or with a valuable end to achieve.


It seemed like a counter culture thing to me. They took
by dillon76  (2013-01-31 15:46:22)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

everything and reversed it. For example, words... if something was hot, it was "cool"; if it was good, it was "bad". It was cool to be stupid, uncool to be smart. It was hip to talk "ghetto" (e.g., he do, they does; those damn double negatives that drive me crazy, etc.) and lame to speak proper English. Criminals were the good guys while cops were the bad guys. Since normal clothes were acceptable, to be "in" you wore outrageous clothing (those stupid looking pimp outfits). You still see this mindset today and in some ways, it is far worse, e.g., the normal way to wear pants is up so the gangsta style is to wear them down so that their drawers are showing. All this seemed stupid to me growing up and seems even more stupid to me now.


In addition to being seen as part of "white culture"
by wearendhockey  (2013-01-31 15:28:40)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

education is seen as "wimpy" by many in the black community. We've seen some recent examples of how anything viewed as less than manly and masculine is treated by some black athletes. As well, too many whites also hold this particular view. I know many and am related to a few. One would think that by 2013 these people would at least see higher education as a vital part of securing a decent lifestyle but I am shocked by the number of people I know who simply do not push their kids to education beyond high school. Retail sales jobs for all... And don't get me started on what they think of anyone who is childless beyond age 21... I weep for the future of this planet.


I view the growing safety net as a large part of the problem
by btd  (2013-02-03 13:25:12)     Delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

There is no real threat of starving to death as a consequence of failing to be able to provide for yourself as an adult. When you know you can count on the federal government to bail you out with food stamps, section 8 housing and welfare checks, there isn't any real downside to not graduating from high school.

To people on this board, we view that lifestyle as being below our minimum standard of living -- we wouldn't be happy with living life at that income level. To a lot of people, it is a perfectly good lifestyle and the effort to graduate from high school, work for minimum wage for a few years, work your way up the ladder, etc is total nonsense because the federal floor we've created is good enough for them.


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