I think baseball/ softball uniquely affected
by mrock90 (2017-05-30 20:41:37)

In reply to: What other program is that true of? I don't think there are  posted by Slotts


Particularly because of the numbers and depth needed to compete over the grind of the season...more so a baseball because of numbers of pitchers required for the course of the season


I agree with baseball, but I don't agree with softball. We
by Slotts  (2017-05-30 20:47:25)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

are right where we were before. Make the NCAA and don't make the super regionals. 22 years in a row now.


That is honestly an utterly ridiculous record
by ndgotrobbedin97  (2017-05-31 15:55:21)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

Think about how hard it is to do one without the other over 2 decades. You were NEVER the better/best team just one time? Never? Yet, you were good enough to get there. It's baffling how that could occur again and again and again and again. Even more baffling is how the NCAA committee never shut you out after all that failure. You'd think the track record of failure was clear.


softball and baseball are really warm weather sports
by dbcsmith  (2017-05-31 11:25:46)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

dominated by California, Texas, and the SE where you can play outdoors year round and where you won't hurt your arm pitching too much in the cold. It takes incredible effort to recruit to a Northern school when a kid could go to a warm weather school especially when talking about state schools who can give free rides to in state students w/o putting them on scholarships using state lottery monies like South Carolina and Georgia have and using scholarship money to give larger percentage scholarships to out of state students. Whereas at a private school they must divide the 11 scholarship among 25+ players and the remaining costs are still high unless they qualify for a lot of financial aid due to need.


Thank God Fr. Sorin and Knute Rockne didn't think like you .
by CJC  (2017-06-03 13:12:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

you keep making excuses, ignoring the success that Pat Murphy and Paul Manieri had at Notre Dame, and we'll keep getting the sorry performances we've been getting recently.

Maybe climate change had something to do with the fact that Murphy and Manieri could produce sustained excellence in Northern Indiana while Aoki can't possibly do any better than the crap we've seen.

Notre Dame -- athletically and otherwise -- has achieved greatness in spite of great obstacles.


I don't think that argument
by chicos bail bonds  (2017-05-31 21:21:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

holds water anymore across the board. These sports certainly have a majority of teams competing at high levels from the west and south; however, we are beginning to see big ten teams make a dent. I don't believe the excuse holds in regards to the weather. The Minnesota softball team won 55 games I believe and took Alabama to the wire in two NCAA tournament games.


Agree. Michigan softball won a NC & is a perennial power. *
by hibernianangst  (2017-05-31 22:19:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Yeah but Michigan is the only cold weather program to do so
by mikeybates  (2017-05-31 23:57:42)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

All time, 9/70 CWS and 1/35 CWWS winners are from "cold weather" schools. It is a major disadvantage.


So did Washington. And Oklahoma ain't South Bend weather
by FL_Irish  (2017-05-31 22:54:17)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

...wise. But nor is it South Beach.


Nebraska has also been to 8 Women's College World Series. *
by hibernianangst  (2017-06-01 09:21:08)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Missouri has also been to 6 Women's College World Series. *
by hibernianangst  (2017-06-01 09:31:42)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


DePaul has also been to 4 Women's College World Series. *
by hibernianangst  (2017-06-01 09:34:28)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Northwestern has also been to 5 Women's College World Series *
by hibernianangst  (2017-06-01 09:36:38)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


Iowa has also been to 4 Women's College World Series. *
by hibernianangst  (2017-06-01 09:53:29)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post


That is exactly the case
by mrock90  (2017-05-31 16:23:51)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

And why ND did fine in big east and not so fine in ACC...at least that's a big part of it


I'd agree w that
by mrock90  (2017-05-30 20:52:18)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

I don't really follow softball so I guess I shouldn't speculate;
They tend to only use a couple pitchers though


Alexis Holloway and Morgan Ryan are the two highly
by MPG  (2017-05-31 13:12:26)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

regarded pitchers. und.com just posted an article about them today.


They have potential. They must have competent coaching.
by hibernianangst  (2017-05-31 17:07:34)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post

The current staff has not proven they can develop elite pitching. This lack of competence also extends to the softball off season conditioning. It takes strong legs and endurance to be an elite pitcher, something not found in Notre Dame pitchers.


True, they don't need nearly as many pitchers. *
by Slotts  (2017-05-30 23:11:13)     cannot delete  |  Edit  |  Return to Board  |  Ignore Poster   |   Highlight Poster  |   Reply to Post