I'm not arguing that secular societies are better

I'm not arguing that secular societies are better
by golden child (2012-12-10 11:19:32)

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In reply to: The secular societies you admire posted by captaineclectic

Only that they are no worse. I disagree with the assertion that being a godly nation somehow protects us from abusing human rights and whatever else was being alluded to above & below. Religion can accommodate all manner of evil, just as secular societies can.

The problem is you forget where religious ideas on morality come from. They come from within us. We have the same capacity for good and evil regardless of weather or not we consider ourselves religiously affiliated. Religion hasn't kept us from abusing human rights and secularism won't save us either.

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Well, yes, you were - Atticus 2012-12-10 11:19:32
- Only pointing out the correlation - golden child 2012-12-10 11:19:32
  - Yes, I quite agree - Atticus 2012-12-10 11:19:32
    - I think one point of divergence is objectivity - golden child 2012-12-10 11:19:32
      - What role does genetics play in moral reasoning? - captaineclectic 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        The nature side of nature/nurture - goldenchild 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        Is that not more condtioning rather than genetics? - tag86 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        I think it is a result of both - goldenchild 2012-12-10 11:33:40
        Sounds like the basis for reasoning of racial supremacists. - vitadulcedospes 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        Exactly, that kind of thinking is a dangerous road to go - tag86 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        It's the source of it if you buy into sociobiology. * - DeBo 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        Sure, in some attenuated sense. * - captaineclectic 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        I'm not sure what you mean by attenuated. - DeBo 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        But genetics play no more of a role in moral thinking - captaineclectic 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        The important thing it tells you about human beings is - goldenchild 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        I see this part as a bit of a leap, though. - Manorcal 2012-12-10 12:35:04
        If there are no absolutes, then there is no such thing as - Howard Roark 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        I realize that. - goldenchild 2012-12-10 12:37:40
        No, you can't say that either. - Howard Roark 2012-12-10 13:32:25
        I don't think it has to be that extreme - goldenchild 2012-12-10 14:12:51
        Maybe we're talking past each other a bit. - DeBo 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        There has been an interesting study out of Yale about - HTownND 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        That's pretty interesting ... - DeBo 2012-12-10 11:19:32
        It definitely gives rise to more questions - HTownND 2012-12-10 11:28:01
      - Maybe yes, maybe no - Atticus 2012-12-10 11:19:32
"They come from within us." - Austin316 2012-12-10 11:19:32
- I disagree, up to a point - Atticus 2012-12-10 11:19:32
  - I'm not sure the natural law is what was being envisaged. - Austin316 2012-12-10 11:19:32

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