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Saturday, August 15, 2009

Depth Becomes Her

posted by Scott Engler
(The Rock Report) - It's been 16 years since Our Lady has seen this much depth on a Notre Dame football team. Quality depth is an important and underrated factor on any team with championship aspirations. Weis singled out depth on the offensive line, but there's quality depth all over the field. For example, when's the last time Notre Dame could go three deep at quarterback or at wide receiver? Two years ago the Irish were just trying to find one front line player; this year our second string units are probably as good as our first team from 2007... strike that, not probably, are at least as good. Read up on NDNation observations on the open scrimmage.

What we're seeing is the emergence of a program level team, where depth creates competition and makes the program better in every way. Our second teamers are now practicing against players who would start at most other schools. Our front line players constantly have young talent breathing down their necks. Where in the past you might have seen a player run out of bounds instead of fighting for an extra yard , you won't see that when you're a couple of plays away from losing your starting spot. With depth, players play to the whistle, they spend extra time in the weight room and reviewing video and all of those incremental improvements have a very big overall impact.

In 2006, with no quality depth, it appeared to many that some of our first teamers were coasting... they don't have that luxury anymore.

A look up and down the team shows that there are very few positions where a starter hasn't earned a spot as opposed to just filling a spot, as has been the case the last two years. In 2007 and 2008 Weis was forced to play players before their time or go with a player with limited ability vis-a-vis other top schools.

2009 is the first time since 2005 that I feel optimism is justified. There's too much talent for this team not to drastically improve. Combine the talent levels which what appear to be very good coaching hires and improved strength and conditioning (see Ian Williams as example number one) and you can start to sense "hoping" for a good season changing to "expecting" a good season.

As I've mentioned before, the sign of good coaching is when you start hearing reports of heretofore rarely mentioned players making big strides and we're starting to hear those reports around players like Paddy Mullen and Scott Smith, guys who have been written off previously. Combine the emergence of senior players with a lot of young talent and you've got the fundamentals set for a good season.

Everyone's optimistic with no losses, but this season, with depth, senior leadership and coaching, Irish optimism is justified. That said, this season will all come down to the lines as noted in Redemption Starts Up Front.

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26 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wanted to comment on one part of your article. The increased strength achieved by our players. It's difficult to gauge how much strength our players acquired over the off season. Ian Williams for instance improved 70 pounds in the clean. Unfortunately, he used wrists straps to help him achieve this weight. The straps make lifting heavier weights much easier and can increase olympic lifts by up to 15 percent. 15 percent of 335 is roughly 50 pounds. Therefore Ian Williams probably only achieved an imrovement of 20 pounds in the off season. Not much for a sophomore going into his 3rd season. I've been lifting for 15 years and believe young athletes should be abe to make more progress. If you cant hold it dont lift it. In short I still feel Mendoza is not the right fit for N.D. If he's having his players use devices that can casue injury. Injuries result all the time from people lifting more than they can handle. And, if you have to use straps you obviously cant handle the weight.

8/15/2009 11:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too have lifted weights just as long as you and using straps permits you to focus more on the weight and not on your grip. I guess it isn't good to use a belt either in your eyes. Can we please focus on being optimistic? Increasing 20 pounds in any lift is gigantic when it comes to the amount of weight that is athletes are working out with. Is there any way to be positive going into this season? For God's sake a game hasn't even been played yet.

8/16/2009 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too have lifted weights just as long as you and using straps permits you to focus more on the weight and not on your grip. I guess it isn't good to use a belt either in your eyes. Can we please focus on being optimistic? Increasing 20 pounds in any lift is gigantic when it comes to the amount of weight that is athletes are working out with. Is there any way to be positive going into this season? For God's sake a game hasn't even been played yet.

8/16/2009 12:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I too have lifted weights just as long as you and using straps permits you to focus more on the weight and not on your grip. I guess it isn't good to use a belt either in your eyes. Can we please focus on being optimistic? Increasing 20 pounds in any lift is gigantic when it comes to the amount of weight that is athletes are working out with. Is there any way to be positive going into this season? For God's sake a game hasn't even been played yet.

8/16/2009 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Depth does not win you national championships. It's an ingredient, though.

8/16/2009 06:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree that with the depth on this team, the Irish are primed for big things. You win with talent, experience and coaching. We'll find out about coaching on September 5th. As for the lifting, I've been at it for 30 years and although I don't use straps, I also don't throw around the heavy weight like I use to. Straps allow you to secure heavier weight and reduce the chance of accidents.

8/16/2009 07:32:00 AM  
Blogger Mitch said...

I too am perplexed about the large gains in weight training. My thought is how can players like I. Williams all of a sudden make large gains in lifting, given the same coach? I am also disturbed to learn this summer that Ian was not in good physical condition the past two years. He admits that he didn't take conditioning seriously.

Unless I'm missing something (and I do often), this is not a good sign for the weight training coaching squad. Why weren't these front line players benefiting long before this year? How could the coaching staff let Ian slide?

Perhaps the next article NDNation?

8/16/2009 08:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This season due to the depth on the team, Charlie Weis finally gets to fight with two hands, instead of one being tied behind his back.

8/16/2009 09:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, using straps in the clean can increase your chances of injury. Using straps does not allow you to let go of the weight if your form gives way. If you have ever watched Olympic lifting the athletes never use straps because it allows them to bail out if they can't get the lift. As far as form, anytime your doing this type of lift your form better be good regardless of the use of straps.

8/16/2009 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mitch- you got it all wrong. No one can make someone put in the extra effort to really get in shape- that has to come from self motivation- but liek the article says, when you have depth and you think you might lose your playing time it tends to get a player focused on improvement. In other words, they start to work harder.

8/16/2009 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger michael said...

Rock,
I know nothing about weight lifting numbers,I do know something about stats and continue to wonder why the glorious number of tackles made by our strong safety and D backs is admired. Shouldn't the bright light be the number of interceptions and knock-downs?

8/16/2009 01:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that we are on the right track....personally, I couldn't agree more with you rock.

I think what it comes down to, is do we have the intensity to man up and play like we should.

In 88 the Irish didnt take crap from anyone....they knew they were gonna win...and they acted like it.

In 93 we was robbed...had the bcs been around..we would've had a chance to play FSU again...

I personally think that the 93 Boston College game has been like a curse...like the Goat with the Cubs..and the Babe with the Sox for all those years.

It's time to put that damn kick to rest...we've never been the same...never....

Maybe Rock..you can find that kicker from BC and tell him to let the curse go? :D

Or on second Thought..we can just do it ourselves and just win every damn game!

Go Irish....

Irish Mike

8/16/2009 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger 2+some Dearborns said...

Ian was one that was given his pos. did not earn it....Why work hard for PT if its handed to you, now these younger guys come in and work hard to get on the field.. Ian now has to work hard to kept his PT and hold off the comp........= DEPTH

8/16/2009 03:28:00 PM  
Blogger Erick said...

Depth is a little overrated at this point. Its obviously a VERY good thing to have. But these kids do not get to this level and want to get to the NFL by giving little effort. I think it helps the team out by having the first team practice against better players.

The COMPLETELY terrible play by the OL in the last two seasons has probablye more to do with scheme and play calling than depth. Hopefully the new coach and by focusing the offense around basic plays will help the OL play to their talent and physical level.

8/16/2009 08:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I personally believe that you lead by example. If the coach is obese and out of shape, what sort of message does this send to young, impressionable college students just out of high school? Don't we want leadership to convey a hard work ethic? How can we do that if our coach shows that he is unwilling to work?

8/17/2009 11:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I disagree with our coach not willing to work. Our last coach was in my opinion ..in great shape but did not work. Look at recruting. Charlie is Mr. Olympia compaired to the last coach.

8/17/2009 03:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In light of recent events, the Paddy Mullen/Scott Smith comment may have been premature. Mullen beat Robinson and Olsen in the I.E. Drill, and Smith is a captain...lol

8/18/2009 06:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I guess it isn't good to use a belt either in your eyes."

-straps and belts and anything associated with aiding you in lifting the weight defintiely weakens you in my humble opinion. I would rather see Ian Williams lift an extra 20 pounds without grips than lift an extra 70 pounds with grips.
My thought process is that when Ian lines up against a USC guard, he will be gripping the gurds jersey with his bare hands (no straps) and will need to use the strength of his legs and his leverage (without a belt aiding back support) to get by him. So why practice with something that will not aid you during game time. It's like training for race on a treadmill vs. the track. Once again in my humble opinion, strength training should simulate a harder version of what you see in the game.

8/18/2009 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is an absolutely absurd comment by the individual who stated that Weis should lead by example when it comes to getting in shape. Weis works very hard when it comes to coaching and recruiting -- would you prefer that he back off on some of that time in order to spend time in the gym? Ridiculous.

8/18/2009 11:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Inform me if I am wrong, but is it possible that those that make comments about CW condition may not see him other that when he is on TV. Having seen him in person in time spent working at the ND in a previous year, I saw him with good and bad days. Some days he looked spry, other days he looked like he had the condition of an 80 yr old man. His health due to medical problems, not related to his weight, may be a factor there. That doesn't excuse being overweight, but it does have an effect. He isn't their personal trainer/srength coach or nutrition, so his condition shouldn't and doesn't matter.

8/18/2009 11:11:00 PM  
Blogger The Rock said...

That's what I was talking about WRT to Mullen and Smith. They've improved dramatically.

8/18/2009 11:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cannot believe the absurd comments from so many who identify themselves as anonymous.

Rock wrote a good article. Most of the comments are not even about his post. While that is not required, it would seem to me to be a good idea to keep comments relevant to the original post.

CW's physical condition is not a major concern to us as fans. Certainly most of us care, but I am certain he is taking care of himself. When we saw him at the Blue/Gold Game, he looked much better than he had previously.

How many comments debated the value and use of wrist snaps? Drop it people and accept what others say.

Along with that, drop the constant criticism of Mendoza.

Get a life people.

GO IRISH...BEAT NEVADA 9/5!!
tednict

8/19/2009 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't care how fat CW is. He just better win this year. If he doesn't, he should be gone. PERIOD.

8/20/2009 10:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where have you been? ND hasn't been this good or deep since we lost our running game. If it is here now, we lose 0 or 1 games. If we lose more than 2, my fellow alumni CW must go...ND88

8/22/2009 10:09:00 AM  
Blogger Over the hill and gaining speed said...

Straps? What the devil are straps? Sounds kind of wussie to me.

I entered ND in 1948 and started working out with weights with that wonderful Priest, Father Bernard Lange. Won the heavyweight title in 1950. Still have the trophy Fr. Lange made by hand in his shop behind the admin. building.

Straps? Harrumph.

8/22/2009 08:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yea all of you doubters can suck it! 35-0! the team played awesome and the backups did too!

9/09/2009 09:25:00 AM  

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